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I have invaded as the US and made it blue, the island just north of Corsica. I took it because there was nobody there. I am trying to invade other areas in the Med and am having a penalty of -141 due to logistic distances. I have the island I took fully in my convoy system and it is supplied. I am also attacking with an HQ unit... but I still get the penalties when it's only 1 sea zone away for the invasion...

What can I do?
 

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zinger98 said:
I have invaded as the US and made it blue, the island just north of Corsica. I took it because there was nobody there. I am trying to invade other areas in the Med and am having a penalty of -141 due to logistic distances. I have the island I took fully in my convoy system and it is supplied. I am also attacking with an HQ unit... but I still get the penalties when it's only 1 sea zone away for the invasion...

What can I do?

The problem is that Bastia (that island you mentioned) is not owned by you or any of your allies. Most likely it is currently owned by Vichy France or perhaps Italy. A better place for your preinvasion base in the Med would be Valetta (Malta), that tiny island between Sicily and the African coast. It belongs to your ally, the UK, so you can derive local supply from there. But you will still need to convoy supplies and oil to it, because the British will certainly not be sending enough to supply all your forces.
 

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Pro_Consul said:
The problem is that Bastia (that island you mentioned) is not owned by you or any of your allies. Most likely it is currently owned by Vichy France or perhaps Italy. A better place for your preinvasion base in the Med would be Valetta (Malta), that tiny island between Sicily and the African coast. It belongs to your ally, the UK, so you can derive local supply from there. But you will still need to convoy supplies and oil to it, because the British will certainly not be sending enough to supply all your forces.

I had conquered Bastia and am supplying it with supplies and oil and have a small occupying force there... It shouldn't make a difference, whould it?
 

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...a penalty of -141 due to logistic distances...

What can I do?

One possibility is to upgrade to 1.06c. While the AI exemption to the air stacking penalty in that version is awful, the logistics penalty is capped at 66%, so with a big force you can often bludgeon your way ashore. Then use Create New Unit to move everything into a new army, and the province you're supplied from will be reset to the nearest province of anyone in your alliance.
 

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I'll try to reorganize my army like that... see what happens.
 

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zinger98 said:
I had conquered Bastia and am supplying it with supplies and oil and have a small occupying force there... It shouldn't make a difference, whould it?

Yes, it makes a difference. As I said, you must derive supply from a source that is OWNED, not merely controlled, by you or one of your allies. While Perm is correct that 1.06c caps the logistics penalty at 66%, you can still do much better than that by staging your forces at Valetta first, since it is owned by the UK. Although you might have to recapture it first if the Italians have grabbed it.
 

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If you invade Italy and use Malta to reduce the logistics penalty, you don't have to supply it (obviously, this goes for other examples as well). The capture "supplied from x" doesn't mean that they are drawing supplies from that province, it is simply the place from where the logisticspenalty is calculated.

All that you need to do to reset the penalty is to briefly offload them onto a nearby province that is owned by you or one of your Allies, and move them directly back aboard the transport for the landing. If they have already landed, you can follow Permanganates advice.

This trick is also useful when you have advanced overland and another owned province is nearer than the original one. F.e. If you move overland to Irkutsk as Germany, at some point Japanese owned provinces will be closer to you than German owned provinces. This works even if you haven't connected with them yet.
 

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Robert Koop said:
If you invade Italy and use Malta to reduce the logistics penalty, you don't have to supply it (obviously, this goes for other examples as well). The capture "supplied from x" doesn't mean that they are drawing supplies from that province, it is simply the place from where the logisticspenalty is calculated.

Quite true. I advised convoying of supplies to Malta because I assumed that you, like me, would want to build up a large invasion force in the area prior to your first landing. I usually convoy over the actual invasion force, plus a small horde of infantry (generally everything I have uncommitted) for use in expanding my beachhead immediately after the invasion during that period of vulnerability when the AI is trying to redeploy forces from elsewhere to contain my landing.

As soon as the landing succeeds my assault fleet goes back to Malta, picks up a wave of reinforcements, and then rushes them back to the beachhead to offload. Meanwhile the forces which made the landing are already on their approach march to attack another province inland from the beachhead. By the time they reach and are attacking that prov, I am already bringing in another group of reinforcements from Malta and the first reinforcement group is on its own approach march to one of the coastal provinces bordering the initial landing spot. In this way I very quickly pour in all of the forces I have in-theater for the invasion, expanding the breech both inward and laterally along the coast, and the AI has no chance at all of ever establishing a static front line to contain me. In no more time that it takes to drive from Marseilles to Vichy, Vichy France is being annexed by France and my forces are now on Allied-owned territory and no longer calculating their logistics penalty from Malta.
 

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Pro_Consul said:
Quite true. I advised convoying of supplies to Malta because I assumed that you, like me, would want to build up a large invasion force in the area prior to your first landing. I usually convoy over the actual invasion force, plus a small horde of infantry (generally everything I have uncommitted) for use in expanding my beachhead immediately after the invasion during that period of vulnerability when the AI is trying to redeploy forces from elsewhere to contain my landing.

As soon as the landing succeeds my assault fleet goes back to Malta, picks up a wave of reinforcements, and then rushes them back to the beachhead to offload. Meanwhile the forces which made the landing are already on their approach march to attack another province inland from the beachhead. By the time they reach and are attacking that prov, I am already bringing in another group of reinforcements from Malta and the first reinforcement group is on its own approach march to one of the coastal provinces bordering the initial landing spot. In this way I very quickly pour in all of the forces I have in-theater for the invasion, expanding the breech both inward and laterally along the coast, and the AI has no chance at all of ever establishing a static front line to contain me. In no more time that it takes to drive from Marseilles to Vichy, Vichy France is being annexed by France and my forces are now on Allied-owned territory and no longer calculating their logistics penalty from Malta.


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