How do I obtain "The Vatican Prince" nickname

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

Simply query really, playing Orsini family in Ironman and wondered what must I do to achieve this nickname.

I've noticed in AI so many rulers are "The Frog" for being uncouth or "the Cleansing Flame" whilst executing heretics or "The Missionary" for proselytising pagans - so this seems rare!

I've got a save where I've formed the kingdom of venaissin with the Orsini's - but wanted to get it on Ironman.

Thanks!

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

In the files it's not in nicknames, but in HFP_pregnancy_events.txt.

A bastard of the pope i believe, caused by an orgy...

see event id = HFP.20598

Spoiler

#Mother thinks about her son/daughter being the son/daughter of the Pope.
character_event = {
    id = HFP.20598
    desc = EVTDESCHFPA20598
    picture = GFX_evt_pope_feast

    trigger = {
        FROM = {
            is_alive = yes
            religion = catholic
            OR = {
                trait = bastard
                trait = legit_bastard
            }
        }
        religion = catholic
    }
    is_triggered_only = yes

    option = {
        name = EVTOPTBHFP20598
        FROM = {
            if = {
                limit = {
                    is_female = no
                }
                give_nickname = nick_the_vatican_prince
            }
            if = {
                limit = {
                    is_female = yes
                }
                give_nickname = nick_the_vatican_princess
            }
        }
        if = {
            limit = { tier = COUNT }
            FROM = {
                prestige = 100
                piety = -100
            }
        }
        if = {
            limit = { tier = DUKE }
            FROM = {
                prestige = 150
                piety = -150
            }
        }
        if = {
            limit = { tier = KING }
            FROM = {
                prestige = 300
                piety = -300
            }
        }
        if = {
            limit = { tier = EMPEROR }
            FROM = {
                prestige = 500
                piety = -500
            }
        }
    }
}

That's the result event.

Triggered by
HF_coronation_events.txt
HF.20237
by
HF.20236 by
HF.20235 Pope orgy
by
More or less beginning with the coronation by the pope i think.

#Scary giant letter event determining what is the priest going to ask to the King/Emperor in exchange for the Coronation.

letter_event = {

    id = HF.20201

I can't give any clear example how to achieve it in game.
Somebody else maybe ?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

..and found the option for the orgy with a 10 percent chance to happen
in HF.20201 under circumstances and modified by... :

            10 = {
                trigger = {
                    FROM = { war = no } #Wartime coronation.
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 0
                    NOR = {
                         trait = bad_priest_christian
                         trait = hedonist
                    }
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 0
                    OR = {
                         trait = celibate
                         trait = temperate
                    }
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 0        # Catholics only.
                    has_landed_title = d_fraticelli
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 1.5
                    trait = gluttonous
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 1.5
                    trait = drunkard
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 1.5
                    trait = greedy
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 1.25
                    trait = cynical
                }
                modifier = {
                    factor = 0.5
                    trait = zealous
                }
                FROM = { letter_event = { id = HF.20235 } } #Wishes to have orgy.

 

[jonjowett]

Slightly off-topic - does anyone know what historical event this is referencing?

 

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

Haha, awesome.. My guess is that if I manage to secure a Black Bishop achievement and later support his candidacy to become Pope, I can achieve it by carousing event?

I appreciate jonjowett's query though, as I'm unsure whether the coronation event is that of the Pope himself, or a ruler crowned who then (if female) allows him to "pollinate" her.

Again, slightly off topic but CK2 fans are awash with glitterhoof lore - but I wondered what can be done to install a Pope Joan (female pope) onto the throne of Saint Peter?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Haha, awesome.. My guess is that if I manage to secure a Black Bishop achievement and later support his candidacy to become Pope, I can achieve it by carousing event?

The vatican name is only possible with the coronation event chain, if that's what you are asking.

I appreciate jonjowett's query though, as I'm unsure whether the coronation event is that of the Pope himself, or a ruler crowned who then (if female) allows him to "pollinate" her.

Not sure what you are asking here.
You/ruler have to make a few decisions on the event chain to get there.

Again, slightly off topic but CK2 fans are awash with glitterhoof lore - but I wondered what can be done to install a Pope Joan (female pope) onto the throne of Saint Peter?

Should not be possible. Don't think so.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Slightly off-topic - does anyone know what historical event this is referencing?

No idea. Usually i'd say something late in 15th/16th century, but i know that there were stories about 'wild life'
in papal Rome earlier in different eras, depending who got on the throne and with whose powerful backing.

 

[jonjowett]

Again, slightly off topic but CK2 fans are awash with glitterhoof lore - but I wondered what can be done to install a Pope Joan (female pope) onto the throne of Saint Peter?

Should not be possible. Don't think so.

AFAIK, it's impossible because of two changes in later patches:

• Children of the Pope don't get weak claims on the Papacy
• Temple holders who convert get kicked out

If either of those weren't present then there would be a way to make female Popes in ironman. (Albeit difficult and improbable.)

 

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

AFAIK, it's impossible because of two changes in later patches:

• Children of the Pope don't get weak claims on the Papacy
• Temple holders who convert get kicked out

If either of those weren't present then there would be a way to make female Popes in ironman. (Albeit difficult and improbable.)

Thanks for that jonjowett.

I've seen screenshots of it, and just wondered if it were still possible - although I appreciate theocracies aren't playable I've seen this done too.. I'm guessing the Papacy somehow becomes a dejure Empire?

Anyway, the nickname "The Vatican Prince" really appealed to me - given the Orsini family were precisely that. Is it still possible to reach that event detailed by Aardvark Balley whilst playing on Ironman?

I've wanted to make a bloodline with Giacopo from the 1066 start for a while. Last playthrough had him living to 87(!) by far the oldest character I've ever seen on a single game.

 

[FacelessOne]

There are a ton if nicknames that were added in the final 2 DLCs + Great Wonders patch that have extremely ridiculous requirements to ever trigger or take so long to obtain that the generic nicknames trigger first.

 

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

There are a ton if nicknames that were added in the final 2 DLCs + Great Wonders patch that have extremely ridiculous requirements to ever trigger or take so long to obtain that the generic nicknames trigger first.

Right. In one playthrough one character was known as "the Young" despite living 82 years!

 

[FacelessOne]

Right. In one playthrough one character was known as "the Young" despite living 82 years!

Well, according to the code this one is only availible till the age of 20. He was just living a long healty life.

 

[jonjowett]

Well, according to the code this one is only availible till the age of 20. He was just living a long healty life.

Agreed.

Although I think the nickname system would be a lot better if there was a way to change to a different nickname on the same "tier" - eg. after 20 years, give you the option to switch to another nickname of the same tier.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Although I think the nickname system would be a lot better if there was a way to change to a different nickname on the same "tier" - eg. after 20 years, give you the option to switch to another nickname of the same tier.

Nicknames don't change in real life. You get them young, not when you are old.

 

[jonjowett]

Nicknames don't change in real life. You get them young, not when you are old.

Not necessarily, if you reign for long enough. Which is my point. (Examples from France: Charles VI the Beloved -> the Mad; Louis XIV the Great -> the Sun king. I'm sure other western monarchies will have similar examples.)

In many cases, we only remember a King's final nickname - any previous ones are relatively inaccessible to amateur internet users. This is especially true of nicknames that are bestowed posthumously.

 

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

The vatican name is only possible with the coronation event chain you/ruler have to make a few decisions on the event chain to get there.

My query related to what event triggers the orgy, I am reviving this necro as I'm asking if it's still possible to activate this chain in the current version of the game which I play?

The Orsini's eminently deserve the nick!

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

My query related to what event triggers the orgy

I thought i already elaborated about this in my first two posts and began with the final event that gives the nickname.
I don't know if you can trigger that on its own via console. You could try it.

 

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

I thought i already elaborated about this in my first two posts and began with the final event that gives the nickname.
I don't know if you can trigger that on its own via console. You could try it.

Thanks, I appreciate you getting back to me on this matter. Just wanted to establish whether you needed a female character to become queen but have seen photos where it would seem Pope has to be corrupted by Lucifer's Own first:

 

[0rth0d0xypr0xy]

@Aardvark Bellay, hehe my apologies if I resurrected what should have been an answered query. The nickname does indeed pop up if you're prepared to use console, which for my upcoming AAR I shall be use for roleplaying purposes.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

@Aardvark Bellay, hehe my apologies if I resurrected what should have been an answered query. The nickname does indeed pop up if you're prepared to use console, which for my upcoming AAR I shall be use for roleplaying purposes.

Good to know. Nice.