How do I lose Satellite status?

[Ayeshteni]

A simple question. Hopefully a simple answer. o

If I am a satallite, how do I get rid of that status and be an independent nation?

Ayeshteni

 

[Eärendil]

Either through a revolution (let rebels occupy your capital) or in a war against your master.

 

[unmerged(112901)]

How do you cause a revolution?

 

[unmerged(106891)]

Increasing militancy of your POPs. I believe you can do this by underfunding public reforms or something like that??

 

[SeedSnatcher]

Taxing them helps, and raise tariffs all the way. Note that rebels also have to control half your country as well as your capital for a revolution to occur.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Ooooch, I'm playing Scotland. War against my 'master' (England) would be suicidal, and I like having a nice healthy government and stable economy.

Rebels huh? The only way huh.

OooooooK, this should be fun.

Ayeshteni

 

[JoeGiavani]

Satellite status isn't really that bad. All that it means is that when they go to war, you do. It's not like HOI/EU where you give them resources or money or anything. Basically I'd advice you keep it, especially as it's with Britain, and there's probably not a nation on earth that could do anything against them anyway.

 

[unmerged(20628)]

Satellite status isn't really that bad. All that it means is that when they go to war, you do. It's not like HOI/EU where you give them resources or money or anything. Basically I'd advice you keep it, especially as it's with Britain, and there's probably not a nation on earth that could do anything against them anyway.

Your DI point gain is halved, and you can´t enter alliances I think. Also, your master gets a bonus in prestige gain.

 

[OHgamer]

Your DI point gain is halved, and you can´t enter alliances I think. Also, your master gets a bonus in prestige gain.

you also can not initiate war on your own (one of the reasons why British India in VIP is not a satellite or dominion, but rather a full state in perpetual alliance, so that we could model the frontier wars with Burma, Afghanistan, Panjab which in most cases were launched by the British in Calcutta, often with little advance warning given to London that conflict was about to break out).

 

[Cinéad IV]

Build level 3 fortifications in all your provinces. Preferably, wait until Britain gets into a brutal war of attrition with somebody (they usually do), and wait till their war exhaustion climbs above 50%. Garrison each province with at least two or three artillery brigades and however many regulars you can mobilise - be very, very well dug in. That's the defensive tactic.

Alternatively, wait for them to be in said brutal war of attrition with someone else: they'll usually have very few soldiers in England itself. Take and garrison London, and they'll fold like a house of cards once their war exhaustion goes above 25%. You've got to be REALLY quick though, before their reserves get mobilised.

If you can, have a navy of ironclads at the point where Britain's navy is still wooden.

Alternatively, buy a colony from someone. Declare a colonial war with the UK, and keep soldiers in your one colony so it can't be lost. Bit gamey, but it has the desired effect.

 

[unmerged(17791)]

I don't think a satellite nation should be able to declare a colonial war against their master. Doesn't make sense. Nothing but potential gamey exploits, there. You either go for it, or you don't. There shouldn't be any trixy way to get out of it.

 

[Cinéad IV]

There should really be a "UDI" button, it would save a lot of hassle.

 

[Ayeshteni]

Well my Scotland game is over. Thankfully, it was at the end of 1935.

I just couldn't let my country go to hell in a handbasket just to break the Satellite status and I was too cowardly (and wise) to go to war.

So I was still a satellite.

I did manage to end the game in 7th place (a great power) so I was immensely proud. I had managed to get a bit of prestige building a few colonies in Africa, before France decided that my 2 Divisions of Infantry were no real threat and marched over a hundred divisions through my poor little African holdings.

I played with the World market AI off and finally learned how to use it, and was making a real good economy and some good profit, so I was happy.

I have to check but I think the vanilla party file for SCO has an error. It has the Whigs as conservative when it should be liberal. Have to check that though.

Was a lot of fun (considering I was seriously constrainted) but I learned quite a few more of the rules playing it and actually enjoyed the challenge.

Hurrah.

Ayeshteni