How do i centralize the HRE within a reasonable amount of time?

[YellowPress]

As Austria in a game that I just played, I was given the HRE option to pursue PU with Burgundy. I accepted it. Now my AE will get the world against me if I claim it.

Huh didn't know that, sure it wasn't an add to empire cb?

Not really. Why have that as an option in the game if it is a fake option?

It is literally like a trap. Oh... pick this option and enter war. Oh, but we forgot to tell you that a major coalition will form against you if you win the war. Kind of bullshit don't you think?

You are meant to improve relations mid war to prevent the coalition, you can look at it day 1 by seeing what the peace deal is like

No it isn't, it is literally a game over scenario. It is basically like the LJN games that James Rolfe whines about as the Angry Video Game Nerd. A beginner's trap. Why have an option that leads to an unbeatable coalition against you and a game over? That is bad NES game bull.

AVGN references? In 2022
Coalitions can be gamed by giving up ally land, giving up primary culture land to keep cores, getting truces

I had very little AE and high likeability so don't give me that. I have played the game enough to know that the PU Burgundy mechanic is literally broken. You should not give me a mechanic in the game if it is broken.

And then you aggressively expanded so your ae sky rocketed and likeability tanked

Also, I really don't care about instant development. Their are countries like Muscovy and Ottomans that can seize tons and tons of development with very little AE and become unstoppable force. Austria taking Burgundy is a little OP but not near as OP as Muscovy, Ottos, or even England taking France in 100-year war.

France starting dev vs full burgundian inheritance is about equal. Austria has no national disaster meanwhile England has war of roses asap
Muscovy expands into east slav culture which has 4 tags, taking burgundy takes french and german culture land and there's a tonne of german tags

They need to fix this mechanic or just kill the option in the next update.

No this is something which more advanced players can regularly do

It also doesn't help that the AEIOU achievement mission tree literally requires you to own the Benelux (and later parts of India) so getting Burgundy is almost required to complete AEIOU.

You can just do revoke privilegia provided you dont form hre, you don't need burgundy ASAP it just makes things alot easier

 

[Volbound]

Huh didn't know that, sure it wasn't an add to empire cb?

This is the problem. You don't know the mechanic.

So there is an HRE Event around Burgundy. You have three options:

1. Release Benelux nations and add them as HRE states
2. Purdue PU of Burgundy
3. Let Burgundy leave HRE

I pursued #2. That was an instant declaration of war on Burgundy with PU objective. However, the peace treaty with just the PU option created a coalition of pretty much the entire HRE against me.

You really cannot see the flaw in game design with that situation? I didn't accept the peace, btw. I was just so frustrated that I ended game then and there with war still ongoing.

Take out challenge here, that is a BEGINNER's TRAP if I have ever seen it. You simple pursue an HRE decision and it destroys your game with a Coalition. Why have #2 as an option in this scenario? There is not a situation in the game mechanics out there where #2 adds any value to Austria.

Yes, if this didn't happen in the 1400s maybe you could do things to allow yourself to be built up enough to defeat the coalition or keep people from joining it. However, this is happening in 1460s. Only a super expert at the game or somebody who cheats will be able to survive a coalition like the one that was formed. Even then, it is unlikely.

This is a beginner trap no matter how you put it.

 

[Volbound]

I also find it funny how people cannot see the inconsistency between their responses in this thread and the Ottoman thread.

Players are asking to nerf Ottos for game play reasons and people on here are stating it is historical for Ottos to be tough (which I agree, I don't want to nerf Ottos)

However, Austria did historically claim most of Burgundy through Phillip and it was common to get PUs over major nations in history yet this broken function of the game should not be fixed for gameplay balance reasons.

No focus on balancing Ottos but on this instance (which getting Burgundy as Austria really isn't that OP as people are making out here. Austria also can easily get Bohemia, Hungary, and Milan but people are not complaining about that).

Both in this thread and Steam, there are always posters who defend any criticism of the game. I love EU4 but this is a broken mechanic. No other way to put it. Either take out PU option or fix the Coalition aspect of it.

 

[Vapiritapiri]

Okay so i got gemeiner pfenning reform but now i'm stuck with 0 authority due to protestantism, and i cannot force convert fast enough. What do? I got burgundy integrated, same with bohemia and soon hungary.

 

[bokorthedust]

Okay so i got gemeiner pfenning reform but now i'm stuck with 0 authority due to protestantism, and i cannot force convert fast enough. What do? I got burgundy integrated, same with bohemia and soon hungary.

Kill the centers of reformation ASAP so they stop converting even more nations, and try going to war with everyone and their mothers (cobelligerenting helps to draw in as much protestants as possible but make sure the war is still winnable). Don't take land, just force convert everyone back to Catholicism to fix the religious unity of the Empire.

Alternatively, if you are close in time where the religious leagues can form, and Protestantism is really widespread in the Empire, you yourself can flip Protestant, wait till the leagues form and lead the Protestants to victory, force converting every secondary Catholic participant to your religion. If the reformation got out of hand, somebody weak will be Emperor so the league war will be a breeze, and you'll get the Emperorship back with high probability once you are victorious, and pick up the reforms from there.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Okay so i got gemeiner pfenning reform but now i'm stuck with 0 authority due to protestantism, and i cannot force convert fast enough. What do? I got burgundy integrated, same with bohemia and soon hungary.

Have you gotten the centers of reformation? The goal is to forceconvert any nation with a center of reformation in their capital. That will remove the center and stops them from converting other provinces. I am afraid if they are already widespread you will have lots of work to do. Start with the centers and then work your way through the HRE and make everyone catholic again. Otherwise you are stuck with permanent penalties.

Also you are still lacking the expand Empire CB right? That could provide a quick boost to IA and allow you to pass a quick reform.

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Another helpful tip is to keep up an alliance with the Mamluks - the Ottomans alwwwaaaaaays guarantee someone that you need to hit for a centre of reformation or other reason; it's handy to have that second front so that you can screw with the AI and avoid actually having to fight the manpower vortex toe-to-toe.

 

[Vapiritapiri]

Have you gotten the centers of reformation? The goal is to forceconvert any nation with a center of reformation in their capital. That will remove the center and stops them from converting other provinces. I am afraid if they are already widespread you will have lots of work to do. Start with the centers and then work your way through the HRE and make everyone catholic again. Otherwise you are stuck with permanent penalties.

Also you are still lacking the expand Empire CB right? That could provide a quick boost to IA and allow you to pass a quick reform.

Problem is i'd run out of admin power since i'd have to no CB declare war on like 10 nations.

 

[bokorthedust]

That's what cobelligerenting is for. Find an ally of an ally or something you can get a claim or other CB on, toggle cobelligerency until you arrive to your real target, and focus them down, then peace out for Enforce Religion. After that you can white peace the alliance chain pretty easily. Rinse and repeat until you got all CoRs.

 

[necro84]

I have completly different approach to Bohemia than most - I don't take PU but conquer Prague for monument + I can take gold mine. The same with Hungary - first I take 3 provinces in Slovakia (gold mine, CoT and Trencsen) and two provinces from Croatia and only later use mission for PU. With 3 gold mines getting level 2 (or even level 3) monument as emperor is easy because of extra manpower and I can get 0.1 (0.15 authority monthly on level 3). Thats 60 to 90 authority in 50 years before I would be able to annex Bohemia - one, sometimes two extra reforms. Bohemia often integrates both silesian nations and I can force them to release them + Moravia and Lusatia for extra 4 nations in the HRE. It's possible to make OPM Styria, Tirol, and from Hungarian provinces Nitra (I return Trencsen), Croatia (Zagreb), Dalmatia (Rijeka) by using return province for additional nations that's why I conquer it, core and add to the HRE before PU

 

[Volbound]

I have completly different approach to Bohemia than most - I don't take PU but conquer Prague for monument + I can take gold mine. The same with Hungary - first I take 3 provinces in Slovakia (gold mine, CoT and Trencsen) and two provinces from Croatia and only later use mission for PU. With 3 gold mines getting level 2 (or even level 3) monument as emperor is easy because of extra manpower and I can get 0.1 (0.15 authority monthly on level 3). Thats 60 to 90 authority in 50 years before I would be able to annex Bohemia - one, sometimes two extra reforms. Bohemia often integrates both silesian nations and I can force them to release them + Moravia and Lusatia for extra 4 nations in the HRE. It's possible to make OPM Styria, Tirol, and from Hungarian provinces Nitra (I return Trencsen), Croatia (Zagreb), Dalmatia (Rijeka) by using return province for additional nations that's why I conquer it, core and add to the HRE before PU

You can do the PU and still claim the Province with Gold Mine by just having it in the peace conditions. A lot of people do that in MP games. Same with Hungary. (Even if Hungary is PU, you can still claim the province by adding it in the Vassal tab, I believe. I know that is true for Vassal States but not 100% clear for PUs).

 

[Volbound]

Have you gotten the centers of reformation? The goal is to forceconvert any nation with a center of reformation in their capital. That will remove the center and stops them from converting other provinces. I am afraid if they are already widespread you will have lots of work to do. Start with the centers and then work your way through the HRE and make everyone catholic again. Otherwise you are stuck with permanent penalties.

Also you are still lacking the expand Empire CB right? That could provide a quick boost to IA and allow you to pass a quick reform.

There is still randomness to it. If the Center of Reformation spawns in a non-Capital region, it can be very hard to extinguish.

My understanding is time is on your side. Even if you get killed in Reformation due to bad Center of Reformation Spawns, you can sometimes salvage the situation in the religious wars. There is still a lot of luck in this game so different games can have different results with HRE.

Heck, you want to talk about an easy Spawn, I had a game that started in 1444 as France and Castile fell under my PU in 1447. It kind of makes playing France a lot easier when that happens.

 

[YellowPress]

Problem is i'd run out of admin power since i'd have to no CB declare war on like 10 nations.

No cb is only for 6 wars, 3 CoR each for Protestant sect

 

[necro84]

You can do the PU and still claim the Province with Gold Mine by just having it in the peace conditions. A lot of people do that in MP games.

You can't take gold mine + monument in Prague, it's over 40 warscore and you need 60 for PU. You can take one. MP is different and just gold is enough but in SP monument is more important if you manage to convert Prague and upgrade it. You don't need as much strength in SP and quicker reforms are more important. Also in MP usually there is Burgundy player and in SP you can count on PU

 

[CthulhuTactical]

Never played Austria before, i have merely murdered it like dozens upon dozens of time as countries outside the HRE. But either way i wanna give it a go, what should i do? I intend to do the formable state.

when you see all these super duper early reddit posts about revoking, they just save scummed so many times to get centers in opms that its not even enjoyable. Dont sweat it, get religious, do the noCB wars, take province convert it, or force convertion on opms. There's no other way without some capital cutting off exploits. And just make lots of prince.

 

[Vapiritapiri]

when you see all these super duper early reddit posts about revoking, they just save scummed so many times to get centers in opms that its not even enjoyable. Dont sweat it, get religious, do the noCB wars, take province convert it, or force convertion on opms. There's no other way without some capital cutting off exploits. And just make lots of prince.

Damn. That's a lot of admin points going to get wasted. Not that i was gonna use them but you get what i mean. Also is there any point in taking prag for the monument, then peace and convert it (somehow). And then do the PU wargoal.

 

[CthulhuTactical]

Damn. That's a lot of admin points going to get wasted. Not that i was gonna use them but you get what i mean. Also is there any point in taking prag for the monument, then peace and convert it (somehow). And then do the PU wargoal.

You can do normal wars against some princes and make a necessary network of provinces around empire waiting for reformation. After you deal with CoR you can release the provinces/princes to gain more IA.

 

[YellowPress]

when you see all these super duper early reddit posts about revoking, they just save scummed so many times to get centers in opms that its not even enjoyable. Dont sweat it, get religious, do the noCB wars, take province convert it, or force convertion on opms. There's no other way without some capital cutting off exploits. And just make lots of prince.

Resetting 10 times is fine, religious is a waste, no cb stab loss or co belig is far better choice, especially as you prevent everything but Anglicans and orthodox spawning