How did you get so big!?
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Bah! Someone beat me to it
Lol, me too! What about Aquileia and Transylvania? just to keep on eu4
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Just to make sure you didn't miss this, I obviously had no intention of ever annexing them (note the date), and I'm a frequent proponent of never annexing vassals. Painting the map a single color is boring both in terms of how it looks and how the game plays out, so I'm being completely sincere here. If I could spend the entire game feeding vassals to do my fighting for me, I would do just that.
So what are you proposing, exactly? It's clear you don't like the idea of painting the world a single color, but it also seems that you don't like the idea of doing so with vassals. What's left, then? Should we just have an Anti-Expansion Fairy that kicks in at so many provinces? Or is this a case of all critique and no substance?
Similarly... I don't think I cored anything myself, this was with Denmark. Vassals are the only way
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Oh, I'm not really criticizing you at all. I think and thought that you were advocating a perfectly valid, fun, and effective strategy. My critique is with the infinite diplomatic relations slots for HRE vassals (well, vassal diplorelations) awarded by the erbkaisertum "reform." Not only is it unavailable everywhere outside the HRE (and, realistically, to only a couple different nations in the HRE), but it's totally implausible and doesn't really make any sense. I'm not going to make the historical argument (it's a game, I can deal), just that one.
Also, I'm not against the painting the map one color either (by whatever arguably plausible means). It's just too boring for me to get to the point where AI coalitions are show-stoppers, but then again, I don't play stupid with AE, and I tend to smart very small, so the repetition is just tedious.
What mods am I looking at?
Similarly... I don't think I cored anything myself, this was with Denmark. Vassals are the only way
It is, and the worst part of it is that its seen as a clever way when its not. Its just dumb.
Well, anyone can become the Emperor. I've either played or seen Ottoman, Oman, Japan and Aztec Emperors, both AI and player. What do you think about adding a parallel to Annex Vassal that turns a vassal into a relations-free subordinate? In an ideal world I'd like them to behave something like a Daimyo rather than a vanilla vassal: mostly fighting each other, but becoming a threat to the suzerain if left unchecked too long.
just turns the wasteland into colonizable provinces, only to make borders look better.
Does it add more basetax? or are they perhaps zero (or 1 tax at most)?
I also keep permanent or near-permanent vassals who I don't annex until near the end of the game. Burgundy as a vassal is my favorite, more trustworthy and as strong as most allies. Or Shun, if I'm playing around in Asia. Depending on the game, I sometimes just keep strong vassals and forget about allies altogether - and it works often better. Annexing them means I'm ending the game, which makes me feel a bit sad.
Regarding more vassal autonomy: I deliberately ignored Japan unification in my Shi'ite Japan campaign and remained Shogunate for the whole game. Shogunate's +4 relationships and allowing the vassals to fight each other certainly added more depth and made me think twice before getting new vassals. Not being the HRE meant I had to annex them at one point or another, but I like how my vassals screwed things for me.
For example, I conquered, converted and released Khmer in two provinces. Khmer is now a proper Shi'ite, and could take more provinces from Ayutthaya. Too bad, I'm an idiot, I had still Buddhist Dai Viet as a vassal. Dai Viet completely annexed Khmer. Also, I was dumb enough to release one province Sibir next to three provinces Uzbek, with the hopes for future feeding to both, except Sibir got annexed by Uzbeks. Sometimes I could use it as my advantage. I diplovassalized Gujarat who had.. maybe 5 provinces. I force-vassalized next door Hindu Kathiawar, with 2 provinces. I was hoping Gujarat would do the "annexing" for me and no wonder, they soon did. I hated seeing diplovassalized Sunnis conquering and converting my catch-and-release Shi'a vassals but oh well.
Inter-vassal alliance and warfare are probably meant only for Japan and Daimyos. But doing it on a continental scale was fun, and I really hated annexing vassals as their own struggles and autonomy really made me respect them as nations on their own rather than just temporary holders for provinces. I actually liked how they screwed my plans for their own ambitions, and now I really do miss the mechanics as I'm not Shogunate anymore. Perhaps someone could mod it so the inter-vassal warfare is allowed for all government types.
In addition to more autonomous inter-vassal interactions (which will obviously be only for the player nations, since the AIs usually annex vassals as soon as they can.), I would also like for the vassal to request wars for their own behalf. A vassal may decide it wants to reclaim its uncontested cores, and sends a request similar to CtA to its overlord - and instead of Accept / Refuse, the overlord option might be Allow / Forbid. Allowing would mean the overlord joins the war, but the vassal remains the war leader and the vassal can negotiate for themselves in this special case. Forbidding would disallow the vassal to declare war in the first place, but give something like -100 relationshp malus, which would go away in 15 to 25 years depending on your BROT. Restricting some casus belli would be probably necessary (I think Reconquest, Colonialism and Colonial Conquest would be enough), and they might want to take on your ally, causing a strain on the relationship on either one of them.
And lowering the cost for the Independence CB - say, the stability hit for declaring war on the overlord is reduced to a reasonable extent while the annexation is taking place or the vassal's opinion of you falls below a certain limit. You'll be keen on the integration process and might want to be ready for a potential war with your vassal. So that if you're annexing several vassals at the same time, they might decide to ally each other and DoW you for independence. This will make the standard vassal feeding strategy a bit more risky, but I think the game would be more interesting that way.
Similarly... I don't think I cored anything myself, this was with Denmark. Vassals are the only way
Umm, I think you're coring two provinces in Tibet on that screenshot.
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1 base tax for each
good observation. forgot that at the end, I annexed all my vassals and kind of went all out on some countries to clean up the borders. So I annexed that bit of tibet. I still failed to core it before the game ended
Why do I see so many commonwealths in screenshots, I have NEVER seen one in a single game yet.
Something that I find rather annoying with the vassal feeding strategy is that when I release a vassal, all its current cores (that belong to other nations than the vassal and its overlord) immediately disappear. I enjoy returning cores as a peace treaty but the disappearing of cores makes it only possible when nations are diplo vassalised which means it is restricted to nations of the same religion group.
Is this a bug or WAD?
Can anyone confirm if it's possible to diplo annex a vassal that is of another religion group. I'm not sure..
Is this a bug or WAD?
Can anyone confirm if it's possible to diplo annex a vassal that is of another religion group. I'm not sure..
You can diplo annex a vassal of another religion group. It's getting them to become your vassal that is the problem. The only way I know to do it is to beat them in a war and force them to become your vassal. This is how I take Morocco as Spain.
well that particular commonwealth was my friend I had in personal union. but the ai only pulls it off maybe 25% of the time.
I have played through so many games, I probably nearing triple digit... and I have not seen it once. EVER. I just find that odd is all.
(1310 hours via steam).
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Interesting I have a pretty big commonwealth in my very first game
And the scary thing is that it is the lesser partner in a PU with Austria, who will soon form the HRE as well (with my playing switzerland so there are fun times ahead )...As for the OP:
yes there are some very big empires in the empire topic, but IMHO you can have a fun game as a smaller/medium sized power as well...