How did the Eastern Church view the Protestant Reformation

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Anyone ever look this up?
 

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A slightly useful anti-rome movement but with teachings that were not compatible with the Orthodox tradition.

The last words of an exasperated Patriarch of Constantinople after exchanging several letters with the protestants (at their instigation):

The Germans had to wait for an answer. Jeremias had been deposed in November 1579, and did not return to office till September 1580. Some months elapsed before he could settle down to compose an answer. It was eventually sent in the summer of 1581. He briefly recapitulated the points of disagreement, then begged for the correspondence to cease. "Go your own way," he wrote, "and do not send us further letters on doctrine but only letters written for the sake of friendship." In spite of this, the Lutheran committee sent one more letter, almost identical with their last. The Patriarch did not reply to it.
 

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And I always thought there are no any major theological disagreements between protestant and orthodox.

From a theological point of view, there are almost no differences between the doctrines of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches so any theological disagreement the Protestants have with the Catholic Church they also have with the Orthodox Church
 
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From a theological point of view, there are almost no differences between the doctrines of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches so any theological disagreement the Pprotestants have with the Catholic Church they also have with the Orthodox Church
From the PoV of the Catholic church there are no major theological disagreements. Both Catholics and Protestants deviate from the symbol of faith, which is a major thing for the OC.
 

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Theological differences are the same for both sides: you either believe the same things or you don't and in the case of Orthodoxy and Catholicism they believe (almost) the same things.

There are only two real theological differences between the two churches: 1) The Filioque controversy and 2) The primacy of the Pope and his infallibility. Other than those there no real theological opposition between the Orthodox and Catholic churches. Now if I was to list the theological differences between Protestants and Catholics the list would be much longer and absolutely similar to one listing differences between Protestantism and Orthodoxy.
 

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Theological differences are the same for both sides: you either believe the same things or you don't and in the case of Orthodoxy and Catholicism they believe (almost) the same things.

There are only two real theological differences between the two churches: 1) The Filioque controversy and 2) The primacy of the Pope and his infallibility. Other than those there no real theological opposition between the Orthodox and Catholic churches. Now if I was to list the theological differences between Protestants and Catholics the list would be much longer and absolutely similar to one listing differences between Protestantism and Orthodoxy.

Well, it would depend quite a bit on which protestant denomination you chose. The Anglican Church is much closer to the Roman Catholic church than it is to a lot of Protestant churches, especially some of the American churches.
 

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Yes the Anglican Church is a weird mix between Catholics and Protestants. They kept the hierarchy and the pomp of the Catholics but took many ideas from the "other" Protestant movements. They "look" a bit like Catholics but from a doctrinal point of view there is a much greater proximity between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches than with the Anglican Church.
 

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Well, it would depend quite a bit on which protestant denomination you chose. The Anglican Church is much closer to the Roman Catholic church than it is to a lot of Protestant churches, especially some of the American churches.

Anglicans are still very much protestants theologically, they're just on one end of the spectrum. They're still more far away fro the orthodox than the catholics are.
 

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Theological differences are the same for both sides: you either believe the same things or you don't and in the case of Orthodoxy and Catholicism they believe (almost) the same things.

There are only two real theological differences between the two churches: 1) The Filioque controversy and 2) The primacy of the Pope and his infallibility. Other than those there no real theological opposition between the Orthodox and Catholic churches. Now if I was to list the theological differences between Protestants and Catholics the list would be much longer and absolutely similar to one listing differences between Protestantism and Orthodoxy.
The Filoque is not a minor thing in Orthodox worldview. It's pretty much a theological cornerstone.
 

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Yup, nor is it for Catholics. But it's basically the only theological difference and it would seem pretty minor compared to differences with Protestants.
 
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Yup, nor is it for Catholics. But it's basically the only theological difference and it would seem pretty minor compared to differences with Protestants.
Now I think it again protestantism seems to be very close to some heresies of ortodox faith like bogomilism or iconoclaus.
 

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For example there are no saints in protestant church. Iconoclausm has similarities on this issue: if God is greatest why there are saints? This was major controversy in ortodox church and was also main issue between catholic and protestant churches.

The Anglican church has saints. I think the Methodists do too. They may be much less inclined to veneration of saints than catholics and I'm sure they don't do relics, but they haven't abolished saints entirely.
 

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For example there are no saints in protestant church. Iconoclausm has similarities on this issue: if God is greatest why there are saints? This was major controversy in ortodox church and was also main issue between catholic and protestant churches.
The Iconoclasm wasn't about the veneration of saints, but about the veneration of relics, icons and other similar things which Iconoclasts considered idolatry. Similarly, from the little we know about Bogomil theology we are certain that it was a dualist sect, believing that the material world was created (and controlled) by the devil, which I doubt most Protestant sects would agree with.
 

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The Anglican church has saints. I think the Methodists do too. They may be much less inclined to veneration of saints than catholics and I'm sure they don't do relics, but they haven't abolished saints entirely.

There's a pretty signifcant shift in meaning between the anglican and methodist saints and catholic/orthodox ones.
 

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For example there are no saints in protestant church. Iconoclausm has similarities on this issue: if God is greatest why there are saints? This was major controversy in ortodox church and was also main issue between catholic and protestant churches.

Actually most Protestant churches have saints, what they dispute is the concept of saintly intercession.