I like the concil and the new law system. It is fun.
I don't really like the new alliance system. Too much micro-management.
I don't really like the new alliance system. Too much micro-management.
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How did Conclave ruin the game?
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Personally, I think the ridiculous amount of faction weighting they gave to "increase council authority" and "install elective monarchy" is what ruins it for me. I have had 8 Council Authority Wars and 6 Install Elective wars in about 170 years. It just makes the game unfunw hen I literally cannot do anything because my vassals want to rebel ALL THE FREAKING TIME. At one point, I had 22 of 27 vassals in prison and the FIVE REMAINING ONES MADE A FACTION.
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did conclave atleast improve on combat? like, does the ai finally recognize the advantage of rivers or highlands. do they finally gather all troops instead of trickle in small armies into the shredder. and ofcourse generals!
Maybe a solution for new patch or DLCs is change your test system (more singleplayer test and less multiplayer test), and the people who test CK2 in PDX before lauch.
I've had a lot of fun with CK2 (1.000 hrs on it) and lately was thinking of giving it another round. I haven't bought Conclave yet.
In the end do you suggest me to:
In the end do you suggest me to:
- Buy Conclave and go to it as it comes
- Play without Conclave at version 2.???
- Don't play for now and wait for patches to sort things out
I thought the most recent patch sorted out the issues with the Conclave update. The new mechanics (council, laws, education) work really well.
Defensive Pacts aren't as game changing as the forum response would imply; they only become massive when both your realm and your threat are massive, and they scale according to your threat level (so while it will take a few years for your threat to drop to zero, it doesn't take very long for your threat to drop to the point that any pacts start losing members) - and if you're big enough to end up with a massive Pact against you, you're probably big enough to take it on.
Shattered Retreat works reasonably well - it means battles are less decisive in terms of casualties (but not warscore) and that ultimately you have to siege at least a few key holdings in order to win. I think a lot of people have an issue with it because they chase fleeing armies all over the map, but you don't need to do that to win a war (and you will waste a lot of time and feel frustrated if you take that approach).
Ultimately it boils down to whether you hate the idea of Defensive Pacts and/or Shattered Retreats. Some people seem to violently loathe one or both; if you're one of those, then it's patch 2.4.5 (or some mods) that you're after.
Personally, I'd recommend Conclave, with the most recent patch.
Defensive Pacts aren't as game changing as the forum response would imply; they only become massive when both your realm and your threat are massive, and they scale according to your threat level (so while it will take a few years for your threat to drop to zero, it doesn't take very long for your threat to drop to the point that any pacts start losing members) - and if you're big enough to end up with a massive Pact against you, you're probably big enough to take it on.
Shattered Retreat works reasonably well - it means battles are less decisive in terms of casualties (but not warscore) and that ultimately you have to siege at least a few key holdings in order to win. I think a lot of people have an issue with it because they chase fleeing armies all over the map, but you don't need to do that to win a war (and you will waste a lot of time and feel frustrated if you take that approach).
Ultimately it boils down to whether you hate the idea of Defensive Pacts and/or Shattered Retreats. Some people seem to violently loathe one or both; if you're one of those, then it's patch 2.4.5 (or some mods) that you're after.
Personally, I'd recommend Conclave, with the most recent patch.
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Most of the problems people have with "Conclave" are actually with the free patch, not the DLC (which actually works rather well). The biggest complaints people have are with threat/coalitions, and to a lesser extent with shattered retreats; both of those are in the patch.
I do kind of wish threat would decay slightly faster, but otherwise it seems fine to me. It only really becomes a significant issue when you are already fairly large, at which point you can likely take any reasonable coalition you will face. It also has the interesting side effect of further encouraging you to expand by pushing other people's claims (which gives less threat) rather than holy warring everyone into oblivion.
I do kind of wish threat would decay slightly faster, but otherwise it seems fine to me. It only really becomes a significant issue when you are already fairly large, at which point you can likely take any reasonable coalition you will face. It also has the interesting side effect of further encouraging you to expand by pushing other people's claims (which gives less threat) rather than holy warring everyone into oblivion.
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I respect what you have to say and have to agree on most points. There is one thing that frustrates me, though. The lessened ability to improve vassal reactions was not coupled with a rebalancing of their logic. Here are a few incredibly annoying examples:
-My Vassal is at a mere -10 relations because I was a child. He was my worst relations vassal. This still resulted in a murder plot and I had to abandon the ironman run because of it. Best I could do was raise his opinion by 7 with a gift.
-Vassals as high as 60 relations joining factions.
My total options to handle their opinions:
-Send Gift for around a half dozen points.
-Carousing (using your entire focus to try and make them like you marginally better with one at a time focus)
-Chancellor job. Again, a limited effect, reliant totally on luck, with only a single target.
-Honorary titles that targets one person and can only effectively be used on one person.
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Try current version. 2.5.whatever. If you like it, buy Conclave, if not, use version 2.4.5.
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Totally agree. I went to war to claim two counties for a duke of mine. A few years later, he's in a faction trying to out me. I'd done nothing tyrannical. I was one holding over my demense limit, I only had 2 duchies. I did have some viceroyalties...AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM. There is no way I have found to get long term loyalty out of vassals. Conclave has basically cause me to spend half of every reign spying on and imprisoning my vassals.
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Wait for new patch. The infamy tick is 0.20 each month so if you like conquer the waiting time doing nothing is way to long. Vassal revolts each year. You have to use a -5 powered vassal as your advisor and let that 20+ in diplo do nothing. Vassals are immune to infamy so they continue conquer, they win duchys and you win infamy for that conquest; diplo-vassal give you more infamy. They are more issues, better explain for other players in this forum.
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As i wrote in another topic, this could be true if you're not facing multiple wars at the same time
But, if let's say 3 hosts declare wars on you at the same time, and you have a medium/big kingdom it will be a nightmare to face those wars ( wars that you can easly win without the shattered retreat, like in the previous patch )
From what I've read/seen I'm not buying Conclave, not my cup of tea.
Issues of coalitions and shattered retreat are imho minor. You can safely ignore coalitions if you're big enough, if you're not it ticks down fast enough, so you can build up warchest in the meantime. Shattered retreat is learn to play and adapt issue.
Issues of coalitions and shattered retreat are imho minor. You can safely ignore coalitions if you're big enough, if you're not it ticks down fast enough, so you can build up warchest in the meantime. Shattered retreat is learn to play and adapt issue.
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You're telling me! I just had a vassal at 100 opinion join a faction to increase council power.
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Just had a faction who want to overthrow me as a king and put one my sons on the throne. Funny because that son is
The last and younger son
It is a MONK ( i odered him to take vow when he was 17...)
Has almost no prestige,
He is 47 years old, lunatic and depressed
Add also 9 wars for "elective monarchy", 5 wars for "increase authority" a dozen of "host XXX want to conquere your land" during a SINGLE reign
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Cmon people try to understand the other players, some of the comments are like fanboy all is perfect; if you are not happy with Conclave-free patch that don´t make you a hater or a QQ, if i dont love the game why try to be worried about how come to this, i just buy another and forget of PDX games.
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Conclave did not ruin the game. Did it make it better? I don't know. But the new features are not back. The only two I feel need to be changed in a patch is 'enforce realm peace' and creating a mercenary company.
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-minigame.913856/
Ok, I'm positive now, the current PI teams are really bad.
Ok, I'm positive now, the current PI teams are really bad.
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I don't know about the game, as I didn't buy Conclave yet, but it certainly ruined the forum. Even more. If that's even possible.
I do enjoy, however, the arguments people make based on some vague notions of medieval history when their typical Mongols-on-PCP playstyle is ruined by some new AI mechanic.
I do enjoy, however, the arguments people make based on some vague notions of medieval history when their typical Mongols-on-PCP playstyle is ruined by some new AI mechanic.
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Pcp is more likely to make you a slurring,staggering mess than a warlord. And the problem is the new AI mechanics don't stop your blobbing and help ruin immersion. So not only am I still able to restore rome everyone from Ireland to India join against me at the same time. And that's only a slight exaggeration.
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