How come Japan never joins Axis?

[Zombie Trotski]

I've been playing Germany on historical but I can't get Japan to join Axis. They always make their Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Pact instead. Then Romania joins them instead of Axis when they turn fascist. It makes for a very unhistorical Germany game. Four times in a row they've done it. Am I doing anything wrong? I've tried taking the 'Befriending Japan' doctrine early on but that didn't do anything.

 

[coffeelingfine]

It was something that was fixed in the latest update. Japan no longer joins axis.

Good thing too, because I was tired of seeing Japanese forces in Europe.

 

[Darkeng]

Technically, Japan wasnt a member of the Axis either, just an ally (like Allies and USSR)

 

[Broletariat90]

I wonder if they ever thought this out. Now eastern European axis powers join Japan? You fix one bug, you create another.

 

[Uniform764]

Good thing too, because I was tired of seeing Japanese forces in Europe.

My British troops are currently fighting the Japanese in the mountains of Greece. They might not join the faction, but they definitely still send volunteers, as do Fascist Spain. It's definitely less obnoxious than before though.

 

[Broletariat90]

My British troops are currently fighting the Japanese in the mountains of Greece. They might not join the faction, but they definitely still send volunteers, as do Fascist Spain. It's definitely less obnoxious than before though.

honestly the volunteer system needs to be just done away with. It should only apply to Spain.

 

[pdstanbridge]

I also have seen expeditionary/volunteer Japanese forces in Europe too. Does airpower follow too?

 

[Gamengervi]

Technically, Japan wasnt a member of the Axis either, just an ally (like Allies and USSR)

Well no, this is wrong. Japan was a member of the Axis once they signed the Tripartite Pact that created the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis in 1940. They just weren't a member of the original Rome-Berlin Axis. Likewise, the Soviet Union was a member of the United Nations (or Allies) and was in fact one of the original Big Three. The other two being the United Kingdom and United States.

As for why they don't join the Axis anymore in-game is for gameplay reasons, as there wasn't much coordination between Japan and the European Axis countries in reality. Playing with historical focuses off, I have seen them join the Axis instead of creating their own faction.

 

[Rashie]

It's better this way. The relationship between the Axis and Japan in WW2 weren't so much one of full military cooperation and assistance as one of mutual understanding in having the same enemies.

It fixes shenanigans like having to go off and beat up Japan to be able to get a peace treaty with European axis powers, Japan showing up in force in Europe, remnants of capitulated axis air forces migrating to Japan to continue fighting.

Now they just need to fix things like Bulgaria joining the Japanese faction.

 

[--Yigito123--]

the European Axis and Japan coordinated and helped eachother less than the Soviets and the Allies. If the latter count as different factions, it only makes sense to me that Japan and the European Axis are different factions. Plus, it fixes things like Germany not signing a peace treaty because Japan is still alive.

 

[Gamengervi]

the European Axis and Japan coordinated and helped eachother less than the Soviets and the Allies. If the latter count as different factions, it only makes sense to me that Japan and the European Axis are different factions. Plus, it fixes things like Germany not signing a peace treaty because Japan is still alive.

In a perfect world, Comitern wouldn't even be a faction in-game. It wasn't even a military alliance. Mongolia would start as a Soviet puppet (as it should) and the Soviets could either join the Allies or create their own faction if they wanted.

 

[jfinley12]

I'm playing my first waking game and Japan joined me as germany the also sent air divisions to Europe

 

[Broletariat90]

I'm playing my first waking game and Japan joined me as germany the also sent air divisions to Europe

Did they purge Kodoha or back it?

 

[TheDungen]

In a perfect world, Comitern wouldn't even be a faction in-game. It wasn't even a military alliance. Mongolia would start as a Soviet puppet (as it should) and the Soviets could either join the Allies or create their own faction if they wanted.

The soviets joining the allies would be terrible.

 

[Gamengervi]

The soviets joining the allies would be terrible.

How so?

 

[jfinley12]

Did they purge Kodoha or back it?

I don't know the answer to that question how do I find that out? I'll check and respond when I get home

 

[MartinSWE]

How so?

Game over after Axis looses to name one issue.

Also I disagree strongly on your view of the Comintern which was a very real alliance even if Stalin 'down-graded' it as a sign of good will to the Allies.

 

[TheDungen]

How so?

Because it would missportray what was an alliance of convenience as a true alliance.

 

[Gamengervi]

Game over after Axis looses to name one issue.

Also I disagree strongly on your view of the Comintern which was a very real alliance even if Stalin 'down-graded' it as a sign of good will to the Allies.

That could be fixed with a simply event that removes the Soviets from the faction after the big war is over. Also, I didn't say Comitern wasn't an alliance, but it sure wasn't a military alliance.

Because it would missportray what was an alliance of convenience as a true alliance.

It would work like factions do already. When the big factions are at war, if a member of the Axis invades a non-aligned country, that country would join another faction that the Axis are at war with (usually the Allies). If Germany invades the USSR, it would join the Allies in the same manner.

 

[Alliegorical]

The main reason this was changed was so you don't need to conquer Japan to actually end the war in Europe. I haven't played Japan yet, but I understand that they do have a focus that allows them to form a defensive pact with Germany and Italy, which works like a mutual guarantee. Since that's what the tripartite pact actually was, this is a lot better.

Most importantly, it discourages the USSR from preemptively attacking Germany, since that should put them in a two front war.