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A Suitable Boy said:
Ar7:
Thanks.
I can't understand how my economy was so weak. My army wasn't too big (I think) but still costs were too high to do anything but mint coins...

I can't either understand the point of trade (so far) It costs lots and lots of money to out merchants at TCs but the gain is only a few gold per year...

Perhaps you were over the support limit with your army?

Well Sweden is dirt poor at the beginning, while Denmark is a lot more wealthy. From what I know people usually stay friends with Denmark, while conquering rich areas around the Baltic: Danzig, Mecklemburg are the best options here. Then when the treasury is feeling a bit more healthy and Denmark is in trouble, prefebly during the idiot king Hans, you stab Denmark in the back and try to get lands from it.

About trade, before you reach trade level 3 there is no reason to trade, the returns will be near nil. At trade 3 I usually begin to send merchants to European CoTs, as they are the cheapest, always using the empty slot method. I would argue against not sending merchants to cheap CoT as there is less competition there and that means less risk being kicked out. Besides that, Danzig, Mecklemburg and Novgorod are great for boosting your support limit because of all the grain.
 

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Ar7 said:
Perhaps you were over the support limit with your army?

You mean that I simply had too much army for my monthly cost?
Well... yes, it seems so... I thoght the army was OK, but didn't realise Sweden was so poor.

No this campaigh seems lost to me. If i understand correctly also my current monthly expenditure on armies etc. are subject to the inflation? So I wil have to live also with 70% higher norlam monthly costs (?), meaning I have to use the treasure slider to combat this, meaning I will add to inflation... no - it will not work...

Thanks for the help anyway.
 

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The best strategy for inflation is:
1. Never get provinces with gold from your enemys - they are not worth it.
2. All the game you must have your income slider maximum on left.
3. Earn money on lending money :) If you start lending money in 1420 then in 1470 you will have each year 1000 ducats from loans and they don't trigger inflation :) On start it is boring cause you must lend everything what you have but in 50 years you can make the strongest economy in whole world :)
 

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Kinch said:
The best strategy for inflation is:
1. Never get provinces with gold from your enemys - they are not worth it.
2. All the game you must have your income slider maximum on left.
3. Earn money on lending money :) If you start lending money in 1420 then in 1470 you will have each year 1000 ducats from loans and they don't trigger inflation :) On start it is boring cause you must lend everything what you have but in 50 years you can make the strongest economy in whole world :)
1. OK.
2. Is that really possible?
3. But according to rules booklet (and the FAQ?) loans DO add to inflation...
 

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1. OK.
2. Is that really possible?
3. But according to rules booklet (and the FAQ?) loans DO add to inflation...


Ad. 2 and 3

I don't say that you have to take a loan :) You must LEND money to other :) When you are in a diplomacy view then in the bottom of menu is option to lend money. When the game starts you have 600 d (it depends on country and it is from 150 to 1500). You can lend only half of money at once. So for example you lend 300 d on 10% on 120 months to Castylia (it is easier to lend money countries that are in war) and 150 d to Algieria. You have then 45 d per year. After ten years you have 450 d and 450 d back and 150 d that you didn't lend. 1050 d at all. You lend 500 d, 250 d and 150 d. You have 90 d per year. After 10 years you have 1950 d at all :) And... you lend it :) After 10 years you will have 3800 and after 10 years more then 7000. In 40 years you will have 7000 d to lend and then you can start... doing something ;) You can lend all and live from % (700 d per year) without inflation. I prefer lend money so I will have 18 000 d to lend sbd and then I start to real play. It is something about 1510 year and I have 1800 d per year from lending money :) It is nice to try that but start is a bit boring :)

One more thing - maximum amount of money that computer has borrow from me, on the higest difficulty, was 3500 d on 100% on 300 months. I have never lend more. So when you have more cash you must lend it to few countries.
 

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Kinch said:
The best strategy for inflation is:
1. Never get provinces with gold from your enemys - they are not worth it.
2. All the game you must have your income slider maximum on left.
3. Earn money on lending money :) If you start lending money in 1420 then in 1470 you will have each year 1000 ducats from loans and they don't trigger inflation :) On start it is boring cause you must lend everything what you have but in 50 years you can make the strongest economy in whole world :)
1. not true, as long as gold income is under 1/3rd of your total income it won't cause you inflation. And they do provide a nice boost to your income.
2. Also not true, once you have a nice monthly income three is nothing wrong with minting for a year or so to get a manufactory. And in some wars it is simply nessacary. A few percents of inflation is very survivable. And with governors you can get rid of even that.
3. Is much harder in the 1.09 patch. The AI is very unwilling to loan money from you. Have you done this post 1.09?

The key to making money with most countries is to trade trade trade.
centralising your country also helps.