It doesn't show any possibility in Germany's "bring to alliance" diplomacy. Surely their must be a way?
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There is a way because I had Finland in my Axis before. But it's been so long since I played Germany, I forget.
IIRC, if you wait until later in the game when it more historically fits, then the option for Finland becomes active. Of course, you need good relationship to get it to succeed. What date is your game at now?
Alternately, it might have been an event that gets Finland to join Axis. Sorry, I can't recall for sure which way it happened.
IIRC, if you wait until later in the game when it more historically fits, then the option for Finland becomes active. Of course, you need good relationship to get it to succeed. What date is your game at now?
Alternately, it might have been an event that gets Finland to join Axis. Sorry, I can't recall for sure which way it happened.
Oh yeah Commander666......I'm at the start of Barbarrosa. Maybe it takes a year or two for it to be possible? I've just never seen it available ever before......so curiosity kills the cat.
It should be possible a few days after the historic end of the winter war, that is usually early 1940.
Oh yeah Commander666......I'm at the start of Barbarrosa. Maybe it takes a year or two for it to be possible? I've just never seen it available ever before......so curiosity kills the cat.
No, that's not right. Finland joins Axis before Barbarossa starts. The Wehrmacht placed German forces in Finland in preparation for the attack on SU, and Finnish forces were jointly involved in the planning of Barbarossa.
I understand that in your game the problem is "Bring to Alliance" is not active for Finland. Do you have enough money to do that ($168)? Anyway, it tells you if not enough funds.
I can not think of any other reason why that option is not active. As a test, load the 1941 Scenario as Germany (can not invite anyone to alliance due to lack of funds), only set CG slider to maximum to build the needed money in a day of play (ignore all else), run the 1 day (get rid of all the pop ups)... and can you now invite Finland to Axis? If not, there's an overall problem.
To clarify, the 1941 Scenario has Germany not able to Bring to Alliance anybody - because of lack of funds. Check that you notice that if doing test.
Running game 1 day with Consumer Goods slider pushed to far right - and doing nothing else - will build enough money as needed to do the political action "Bring to Alliance".
A lot of pop-ups come 1st day with that scenario. Just get rid of them, and check that now you have active "Invite to Alliance" for Finland and any other country.
Whether country joins or not is different issue.
Finally, answering this has helped me remember... I sure there is no event for Finland to join Axis. That only occurs via the Bring to Alliance - and obviously, that action needs enough money stockpiled to become active choice. Good luck.
Running game 1 day with Consumer Goods slider pushed to far right - and doing nothing else - will build enough money as needed to do the political action "Bring to Alliance".
A lot of pop-ups come 1st day with that scenario. Just get rid of them, and check that now you have active "Invite to Alliance" for Finland and any other country.
Whether country joins or not is different issue.
Finally, answering this has helped me remember... I sure there is no event for Finland to join Axis. That only occurs via the Bring to Alliance - and obviously, that action needs enough money stockpiled to become active choice. Good luck.
As Pang said, Finland should be able to join the Axis a few days after the Winter War has ended historically via event. If using the 1941 scenario the Finland AI should automatically ask to join the Axis a few days into the war.
Guys
Presumably would that also mean good enough relations between the two nations for Finland to be receptive? Probably by a few influence nation actions?
The only time I played Germany I was surprised that there seemed to be no automatic events/triggers for assorted powers joining the Axis. Possibly because I was used to playing the Soviets where diplomacy is pretty much a waste of time. No matter what relations with assorted countries the historical minor members join the Axis roughly on historical dates. Hence in my run and with some many other things to do I didn't influence any nations.
Steve
Presumably would that also mean good enough relations between the two nations for Finland to be receptive? Probably by a few influence nation actions?
The only time I played Germany I was surprised that there seemed to be no automatic events/triggers for assorted powers joining the Axis. Possibly because I was used to playing the Soviets where diplomacy is pretty much a waste of time. No matter what relations with assorted countries the historical minor members join the Axis roughly on historical dates. Hence in my run and with some many other things to do I didn't influence any nations.
Steve
+50 relations should more then suffice. Easily achievable by trading for Finland's rares, no need to spend money on influencing.
Just to clarify, if one has the required funds to do diplomatic action Bring to Alliance, then that is a possible way. The problem as presented was that bshirt73 could not get that action active. It was not that he might have missed the Event for Finland to join. As regards the Scenario 1941, I just suggested a test to see if he can get that diplomatic action active.
It isn't about Finland joining by event... and I don't see that Pang actually said Finland joins by event. Finland probably does or can be by diplomatic action too (which I seem to remember doing). Either way, bshirt73 hasn't managed to get the diplomatic action Bring to Alliance active, and I wish he would respond if there is any progress to figuring out why.
I suppose the other question is why he never got the Event. This issue might be a bit deeper than appears, but I think we need feedback from bshirt73 before the problem can be determined.
It isn't about Finland joining by event... and I don't see that Pang actually said Finland joins by event. Finland probably does or can be by diplomatic action too (which I seem to remember doing). Either way, bshirt73 hasn't managed to get the diplomatic action Bring to Alliance active, and I wish he would respond if there is any progress to figuring out why.
I suppose the other question is why he never got the Event. This issue might be a bit deeper than appears, but I think we need feedback from bshirt73 before the problem can be determined.
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If the event fires, the relationship should not matter. It must be OK since event fired.
If doing it via diplomatic action Bring to Alliance I found that it is better to be safe than sorry. But if the chance is 70% or better, no extra influence should be needed. Probably the chance is pretty high even if relationship only at +50 because it is meant to happen - both historically and, obviously in game too if there is an event scripted for it.
To clarify - there is no public event giving Finland the option to join the Axis.
In game, the Finland AI has a hidden AI event that will reduce its neutrality a few days after the Winter War with the USSR has ended. Before this time there will be 0 chance that Finland can join the Axis - additionally it will simply not be possible for most of this time due to Finland's sliders.
Meaning the Germany player will have to try and get Finland into the Axis via diplomacy, there is no event that makes them join. But they will have to wait until the Winter War has ended historically via event.
In game, the Finland AI has a hidden AI event that will reduce its neutrality a few days after the Winter War with the USSR has ended. Before this time there will be 0 chance that Finland can join the Axis - additionally it will simply not be possible for most of this time due to Finland's sliders.
Meaning the Germany player will have to try and get Finland into the Axis via diplomacy, there is no event that makes them join. But they will have to wait until the Winter War has ended historically via event.
Yes. I went into late 1942 as Germany (for the 1936 version) and still had no option of bringing in Finland. Hmmmmmm..........
What do you mean when you say you have no option?
If you go on the diplomacy screen for Finland, can you invite them to the alliance?
If yes, what is the chances of them joining?
Are you currently at war with the USSR?
Did the Winter War end historically via event?
If you go on the diplomacy screen for Finland, can you invite them to the alliance?
If yes, what is the chances of them joining?
Are you currently at war with the USSR?
Did the Winter War end historically via event?
The "bring to Alliance" for Finland is faded out and simply can't be activated.
Yep, at war with the Soviet Union. I'm not sure what the "Winter War" is.....please help me sir.
Yep, at war with the Soviet Union. I'm not sure what the "Winter War" is.....please help me sir.
When you hover over the "bring to alliance" option, what does the pop up say?
The Winter War refers to the war the Soviet Union started in real life in November 1939 by invading Finland. Historically it ended in March 1940, but in the game it can end faster/slower depending on random factors affecting the AI. There should be event pop ups for the Soviet Union showing this.
The Winter War refers to the war the Soviet Union started in real life in November 1939 by invading Finland. Historically it ended in March 1940, but in the game it can end faster/slower depending on random factors affecting the AI. There should be event pop ups for the Soviet Union showing this.
bshirt73
The other way of telling is that in the historical Winter War, which is the most likely event when both powers are AI controlled, the Soviets take over 3 Finnish provinces, Viipuri, Sortavala and IIRC Joensuu. If their in Soviet hands in your game then the Winter war has happened. If not then it might be the Soviet AI has chosen not to invade, although I think that is pretty rare..
Steve
Chances are that finland is too democratic and too isolationistic to join any alliance while it is still at peace. The historic end of winter war usually coincides with that being changed.