How can I transfer a duchy from one kingdom to another?

[stan88]

How can I transfer a duchy from one kingdom to another? I'm the king of England and Wales. Jarldom of Northumberland belongs to Wales and I want it to be part of England as it should be. How can I do it? In fact why the hell didn't it automatically become part of England when I revoked Wales?

 

[rolda]

Have you been a king of Wales before you created England? It seems that Northumberland did de jure shift to Wales... It happens when you hold a title and all of it's land for 100 years (by default)

 

[stan88]

The king of England was my first king title. I created Wales much later and gave it away as vice royalty when I already was an emperor. After some time the viceroy rebelled against me so I got him arrested and took away the title and somehow Northumberland was part of it.

 

[stan88]

Nobody huh???

 

[Noxatrox]

Can you post a screenshot of it?

I'm not sure if you mean it is de jure part of Wales now because that would mean de jure drift occurred.

 

[Minchandre]

Nobody huh???

It's not clear to me, but from what you're describing it actually just sounds like Northumberland was a de facto vassal of Wales, not de jure. You can check in the de jure kingdom view.

Anyway, de jure drift occurs when an entire duchy is controlled by a different kingdom than its "original" de jure kingdom. E.g. as the king of Sweden I control all 4 counties of Skane for 100 years, now Skane is de jure Sweden.

Though I'm actually not sure that works when both kingdoms are I'm the same empire.

 

[stan88]

Can you post a screenshot of it?

Damn it. I was about to do a screenshot of it but then I realized I accidentally deleted the save because it was Ironman!

It's not clear to me, but from what you're describing it actually just sounds like Northumberland was a de facto vassal of Wales, not de jure.

Yes, that's the case but I don't understand why it didn't switch back to England as soon as I became a holder of both titles.(Wales and England).
Northumberland is de jure part of England.(It wasn't part of Wales for 100 years that's for sure)

That was a real annoyance because I couldn't give Wales away as vice royalty without giving away Northumberland.

ps. I'm really upset right now I lost that save. It was a good game where I turned British Isles back to the old Gods by making my heir a Norse pagan. Had to go through couple of bloody civil wars! Lots of fun!

If you overwrote the save file there is no way to get it back right?

 

[Kayden_II]

Could It be, that You had 1 Vassal with 2 Duchy-Titles ? - 1. One in Wales (Primary Title) and the 2. One was Northumberland in England ?

 

[stan88]

I'm pretty sure I checked all the vassal titles and didn't see any of that. From your experience do duchies automatically revert back to de jure kingdoms once you own both kingdoms - a kingdom they used to be part of and the de jure kingdom?

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

As someone has reported elsewhere, there might be an issue with de jure vassals of a usurped kingdom not being transferred with the usurped title.
It's conceivable something similar is happening here.

Though it seems more likely that a duke with their primary title being in Wales, either holds the duchy Northumberland themselves, of has acquired each of its countries as vassals/demesne.