How can I slow down the rush to absolute crown authority?

[Sleight of Hand]

Does anyone know how to make it harder to change crown authority? Currently I often see the king of France or the Holy Roman Emperor saying he's trying to change crown authority -- it seems to happen with every new ruler and I don't want either of these two realms in particular getting past low authority without a lot of hard work.

What would be good requirements for changing authority and how do I add them?

 

[zeress]

Take a peak at CK2+/ask the mod author of this (Wiz). He implemented a min. prestige req. per tier and it helps (Low 500, Med. 1000, high 2500 and max 5000 are the values he uses). I see most kingdoms get stuck at low-med. as a result of it

 

[James009]

Yeah, in one of my early games the English King almost immediately raised the Crown Authority to Absolute... I hated that King and now there isn't much I can do.

Really, what do you do under a High Authority or Absolute Authority Crown Law?

 

[Thure]

Really, what do you do under a High Authority or Absolute Authority Crown Law?

If you have enough power, you can declare war to the King. If you have won, he change the crown low to moderate.

 

[RedRooster81]

I want much more stringent requirements for changing CA. Wiz is definitely moving in the right direction. To take England's case, I would say that in December 1066 CA is high maybe even absolute. William is triumphant and no one can stand in his way. RR is rather high, but he is ruling the Saxons like the conquered people that they are. Things go along like this, with high authority, until the Anarchy, when it falls very low. Under the Plantagenets, it goes back and forth. The Magna Carta seeks to set Crown Authority to Low or Medium, while Edward I and the first consistent parliaments hold it at Medium or maybe High.

I think that you could figure out a timeline for many kingdoms and think about why CA was high, low, absolute, or non-existent at different points in history and try to model that as a universal idea. When you have a lot of dukes and a very small royal patrimony (like France 1066) the best you can hope for is Autonomous Vassals. It really takes a Philippe Augustus to start increasing authority by making a larger part of France administered directly more or less by the crown. Philippe le Bel rachets it up to high I think, based on being able to revoke the titles of nobles thought to be favorable to England in Gascony and of course the Avignon Papacy.

Maybe I'm being too radical here, but I think that CA should be something that can be changed by event, not simply voting on the laws.

 

[Closet Skeleton]

I tried tying crown authority to tech assuming the infrastructure required for high crown authority only existed in byzantium during 1066, but it didn't work and just made crown authority unraisable. Probably because I forgot to specify capital tech and it tried to use the ruler's tech levels when characters don't have tech levels.

	centralization_1 = {
		show_as_title = yes
		group = centralization
		
		feudal_opinion = -5
		
		potential = {
			NOT = { has_law = centralization_1 }
		}
		allow = {
			OR = {
				has_law = centralization_0
				has_law = centralization_2
			}
			TECH_MAJESTY = 2
			TECH_LEGALISM = 1
			
		}
		revoke_allowed = {
			always = no
		}			
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
			modifier = {
				factor = 0
				NOT = { has_law = centralization_0 }
			}
		}
		ai_will_revoke = {
			factor = 0
		}
		effect = {
			hidden_tooltip = {
				if = { 
					limit = {
						has_law = centralization_0
					}
					any_de_jure_vassal = {
						limit = {
							OR = {
								religion = ROOT
								is_liege_or_above = ROOT
							}
						}
						opinion = {
							who = ROOT
							modifier = opinion_increased_authority
							months = 60
						}
					}
				}
			}
			
			revoke_law = centralization_0
			revoke_law = centralization_2
			revoke_law = centralization_3
			revoke_law = centralization_4
			set_appoint_generals = yes
#			set_appoint_regents = no
			set_the_kings_peace = no
			set_the_kings_full_peace = no
			set_protected_inheritance = no
			set_allow_title_revokation = yes
			set_allow_free_infidel_revokation = no
#			set_allow_free_revokation = no
		}
		
		city_vassal_min_levy = 0.1
		castle_vassal_min_levy = 0.1
		temple_vassal_min_levy = 0.1
	}

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I want much more stringent requirements for changing CA. Wiz is definitely moving in the right direction. To take England's case, I would say that in December 1066 CA is high maybe even absolute. William is triumphant and no one can stand in his way. RR is rather high, but he is ruling the Saxons like the conquered people that they are. Things go along like this, with high authority, until the Anarchy, when it falls very low. Under the Plantagenets, it goes back and forth. The Magna Carta seeks to set Crown Authority to Low or Medium, while Edward I and the first consistent parliaments hold it at Medium or maybe High.

I think that you could figure out a timeline for many kingdoms and think about why CA was high, low, absolute, or non-existent at different points in history and try to model that as a universal idea. When you have a lot of dukes and a very small royal patrimony (like France 1066) the best you can hope for is Autonomous Vassals. It really takes a Philippe Augustus to start increasing authority by making a larger part of France administered directly more or less by the crown. Philippe le Bel rachets it up to high I think, based on being able to revoke the titles of nobles thought to be favorable to England in Gascony and of course the Avignon Papacy.

Maybe I'm being too radical here, but I think that CA should be something that can be changed by event, not simply voting on the laws.

Whilst I agree with your summary I don't agree with your higher-level CA (I think you're being too heavy-handed there).

I don't think England should ever reach absolute crown authority during CK2 -- in fact I can't think of any kingdoms I'd give it to, and certainly not France.

The highest France's CA should get during this period would be under Louis XI, but that's after the end of the game and even then it would be no higher than medium.

 

[RedRooster81]

Fair enough. Absolute authority should be reserved for very few cases. The Byzantine Empire is probably the only Christian realm that should get it. As Closet Skeleton suggested, it should involve a certain level of bureaucracy, and I would add it should be related to how many direct vassals the paramount lord has. Most positions of authority should be by appointment rather than inheritance. In short, you need an empire in more than name. Even an Edward Longshanks should have only medium or maybe high authority, which should drop under a less than competent heir.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Does anyone have any suggestions on improving this? This is the one area I really want to improve now -- I'm just not sure how to add requirements for raising CA, or what what they should be.

I suppose a certain level of prestige and vassal relations would be a good start?

 

[RedRooster81]

You would have to change 'allow' or 'potential'; or if you want to still be able to do it but slow the AI, change ai_will_do with more conditions, in both cases with <prestige = 1000> or something similar, even a character flag or maybe a trait like <has_trait = ambitious> or <NOT = { has_trait = just }>

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Sorry to be a pain but I'm not sure how I'd write that correctly. Could you put up an example in

 format please?

 

[Rusky]

Isn't crown authority merely a bureaucratic thing that takes over some functions that the lords used to perform and also a new contract with the lord giving him more power?

The reason Crown Authority got so High after the medieval period is because most of the opposition to the crown has been eroded and everything is more centralized, i don't think this was done with the consent of the lords but had to do more on the part of the scheming of the Royal Families to take more power from their lords, probably sold to the people as to keep them safe against insane lords and for stability.

Seems like the only way they could of accomplished this is by getting members of their blood line into the biggest positions of power.


So long story short,
I think that to get high and absolute crown authority you should have most lords in your kingdom somehow related to your blood line.
Meaning make it so lords that are not part of your blood line at all automatically vote against absolute crown authority, unless you got them at 100 relation.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

I don't mind the idea but I would have no idea how to write it. I don't understand a lot of the scripting / trigger language -- I can only do basic things. o