How can I get the vassal of another king to be my own?

[117]

Hello everybody,

After a crafty marriage, I managed to get my nephew to inherit the Duchies of Aquitaine, Gascogne, and Poitou. Since my nephew is a member of my dynasty, I was under the impression that he would become my vassal after he inherited those duchies, but he did not - his liege is the King of France.

Is there any way for me to make him break away from his liege and become a part of England, or is he stuck being under the King of France? Also, can someone explain to me what I did wrong? I'm trying to play this game without forging claims or assassinating people - I want to earn my territory through marriages.

Thank you for reading.

Here is a picture of the Duke in question:

 

[Rakonas]

If he had held land in England and France has less than high crown authority then the titles would pass under the fold of the English crown. You'll probably have to help your nephew become independent for him to be able to become a part of England at this point.

 

[Boogeyman]

He may break independent on his own, but he still wouldn't likely accept you as a liege lord. If you really want his lands to joins yours arrange him to be your heir (or his father). You could also wait for a member of your dynasty to get claims to his lands (it will happen after a generation or so) and then press them.

 

[117]

If he had held land in England and France has less than high crown authority then the titles would pass under the fold of the English crown. You'll probably have to help your nephew become independent for him to be able to become a part of England at this point.

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Could I have given him like a barony or something?

You'll probably have to help your nephew become independent for him to be able to become a part of England at this point.

How could I go about doing that?

 

[tman144]

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Could I have given him like a barony or something?
?

I'm not 100% positive on this, but I think the title you give him has to be equivalent to the title he's inheriting, like, give him a Duke title if he's going to inherit a Duke title. Otherwise, I think he makes his new title his primary title and takes all his old land with him. So, if you made him a count, and he inherited a Duke title, he would become the vassal of the Duke title and steal your county.

EDIT: Also, from looking at the screen shot, it looks like he has a brother. Is the brother in your court? If so, then make the brother a duke and kill the first guy.

 

[Nintz]

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Could I have given him like a barony or something?

Yes. EDIT: They changed this. Ignore.

How could I go about doing that?

Kill off all of the closer heirs, to ensure he inherits. That would mean your sons, then daughters, then brothers and their sons, and possibly daughters, until you hit the nephew in question.

 

[117]

Yes. EDIT: They changed this. Ignore.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that giving him a barony or a title equal to what he is inheriting wouldn't make him my vassal?

 

[Prime624]

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that giving him a barony or a title equal to what he is inheriting wouldn't make him my vassal?

That would. But a barony would not.

 

[117]

That would. But a barony would not.

Curses.

Well, thanks for the help everybody. This game sure can be confusing sometimes, lol.

 

[icon41gimp]

I have vassalized the Duke of Aquitaine who was my dynasty member as Brittania before. If you can support his independence and get his opinion high you have a chance. You may need an empire title though.

 

[MrWeRD]

What mods are you using? That trait looks very interesting.

 

[Anthropoid]

Curses.

Well, thanks for the help everybody. This game sure can be confusing sometimes, lol.

But fun though eh!?

I played CKI quite a bit back in the day, and I still have confusions like this myself. It is one of the most unique strategy games out there.

 

[dorukdorucu]

About the barony question:
DISCLAIMER: I have 1.07 so none of the below information is guaranteed to work with other versions such as 1.08
I believe he has to be your direct vassal, so he can be a baron but he has to be the baron of a holding WITHIN YOUR DEMESNE. I managed to get 4 duchies in Irealnd for just 4 baronies in Middlesex. If he is your direct vassal(And France has below high CA) he gets to inherit the lands and keeps being your vassal. Of course it is better to s,mply give him an equal level title just to be sure. Also, make sure his heir is within your realm when he dies. So you don't lose the duchies the same way you got them.

 

[NewbieOne]

I have a related question. I'm a 1-county duke under a king and the other count in my de iure duchy is under the same king (who has high authority). I don't have the option to offer vassalisation. How do I get around to bringing him into the fold without declaring war on him?

 

[icon41gimp]

Couple ways to do it, most involve war.

Obvious one is go to war with the king. Option two is to get crown authority below Medium and then declare war directly against the count.

Only other option I can think of is to get your ducal title stripped. If the king redistributes the title later then it's de jure vassals should come along with it.

 

[NewbieOne]

Couple ways to do it, most involve war.

Obvious one is go to war with the king. Option two is to get crown authority below Medium and then declare war directly against the count.

Only other option I can think of is to get your ducal title stripped. If the king redistributes the title later then it's de jure vassals should come along with it.

Darn, I wish I had the option to demand that the vassal should serve me rather than the king directly just like AI does when I am the top liege!

'Kay, another one, vaguely related. Can I switch lieges by swearing fealty to my de iure liege without declaring war on my de facto liege to get independent?