How can Burgundy support 40 mercenaries over a twelve year war?

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It still seems something is broken. England usually has 80k armies with a forcelimit of 49k, only 8k are mercs.

War of the Roses? Who cares, they just smash 12k stacks against the sole 20k York stack until it breaks.
 

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Burgundy has the heaviest mercenary NI focus, so thats probably why. Combined with mercenary Idea Groups it can get pretty insane.
Ah, that would explain it. Well, I suppose I'll have to make sure that once I recover, I'll have to blitz into their territory and play whack-a-mole. Cracking that first stack is going to be the problem though, he's got a six shock King.
 

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burgundy mercs can become cheaper then normal troops with the right ideas. And Burgundy *always* takes administrative first now it seems. Enough said :)
 

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In my game France got 42 ... something isn't adding up, out of desperation I once used 16 and it crippled me.

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Burgundy has NIs reducing the cost of mercenaries, plus they might have also picked some NIs that also do that. Besides, their provinces are among the richest in the game. In my current Burgundy game, each mercenary's maintenance is only twice bigger than a regular troop's.
 

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If France has a force limit of 99, either it's taken the first six Offensive ideas or it's blobbed beyond the hexagon remarkably fast. By the time it's six steps into Offensive, it should also be most of the way through Economic (more income, cheaper loans, and cheaper land maintenance), and by default AI France is lucky, which also gives it cheaper loans (and also makes its mercenaries 25% cheaper to recruit).
 

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I've noticed France do stuff like this. They rebuild their armies fast and large and one time when I went to the diplomacy screen I saw that France was 2,400 in debt...but they kept the armies standing and fighting like nothing was wrong.
 

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Ai are also even more willing to take loans and use mercs this patch. I myself have half my troops as mercs as Haixi right now and with lvl 3 1 and 2 advisors and making 8 ducats a month. Force limit is a little over 100. And I just made the Timurids go more than 2000 in debt and they still wanted to fight me if I declared on their ally immediately after our war.
 

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I've noticed France do stuff like this. They rebuild their armies fast and large and one time when I went to the diplomacy screen I saw that France was 2,400 in debt...but they kept the armies standing and fighting like nothing was wrong.

It takes a very long time to financially ruin a big nation in EU IV. If the alternatives are destruction or loans, the AI tends to chose loans (which is good I think).
 

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Are you talking about a fresh game?

Because currently England and Burgundy make a ton of money off the start. Both of them can go over their forcelimits easiliy in art of war.
 

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With Byz you can get insane numbers of mercs as well, unfortunately they don't upgrade so be careful if you use them, if you aren't used to losing armies you can easily end up with mercs that are a couple of levels behind your present troops.