How brutal is Over-extension these days?

[sad king billy]

so err. Asking for a friend... how brutal is over-extension these days? Now I'm not saying I got carried away, everything is fine; don't worry. Also my country has a tiny issue where it is currently sitting on 105% over-extension, kinda sorta. I can release a vassal to take me juuuust below the threshold, but I'd rather not do that because a bunch of cores will also go with it if I do so. Alternatively in 10 months a couple of cores will complete that should take me to below 100%.

Can I ride it out or will it be blood and tears and real agony if I try?

 

[I_am_Nemo]

Mostly, it's a question of if you can play whack-a-rebel for those 10 months without collapsing/getting weakened to the point where all your neighbors DOW you.

There's a few nega-modifiers you can acquire, but they aren't too bad, iirc, and don't last too long. The big deal is your rebels popping fast and furious, as their progress is much quicker than normal.

 

[Bouchart]

You still want to stay under 100% OE under most circumstances unless you are in a very strong position. You should be able to last 10 months without too many issues.

 

[Dominion]

10 months over 100% means a couple of loans at worst.

Get some regiments going, play whack-a-mole, continue leading your nation to victory.

 

[Ironside121]

In that time you might have 3 or 4 15 unrest events, most could be completely stopped by upping autonomy. It won't be too bad.

 

[Shatter12]

But is 101% over extension as bad as 250%+ over extension? Or do they scale?

 

[Bouchart]

Are you in the Age of Absolutism? Raising autonomy would lower your absolutism, lower your admin efficiency and make your overextension even worse. In those +15 unrest provinces I'd lower absolutism since you'll probably get rebels anyway.

 

[Dominion]

But is 101% over extension as bad as 250%+ over extension? Or do they scale?

They can jump 20% per month instead of 10 at higher levels, unrest increases, etc.

So, yea, they scale.

 

[bly08]

That might've been changed. I've never seen rebel progress jump by 20% with 400+ OE post 1.22 I think.

 

[Runite Drill]

But is 101% over extension as bad as 250%+ over extension? Or do they scale?

Frequency of bad events increases with OE. But 105% OE is survivable for 10 months fairly easily.

 

[makaramus]

10 months over 100% means a couple of loans at worst.

Get some regiments going, play whack-a-mole, continue leading your nation to victory.

couple loands, many lost legimicy, lose of prestige, huge amount of lost diplomatic reputation(wich means your allies most likely not help you in your moment of weakness)

please dont make it look like meaningless... yes it can be ignoreable but overextansion can be costy if you do mistake

 

[Bibor]

Overextension is basically "going into debt" for long-term gains. You pay the cost in all other values (manpower, legitimacy, stability etc.).

The "acceptable" level of this debt is - I think - best described by Reman in his video: "if your non-accepted culture, but accepted religion provinces with no separatism have no revolt risk, you're in the clear".

 

[PhoenixG]

But is 101% over extension as bad as 250%+ over extension? Or do they scale?

iirc the amount each rebel spawn also increase the higher the overextension is.

 

[Rikissa]

If you can still increase autonomy, you can go to 200% without too much cost

This changes a lot after the point where you no longer want to raise autonomy

 

[PhoenixG]

After absolutism you really don't want to increase your autonomy, since it will decrease your absolutism. In other words you'ss increase your overextension by raising autoomy.

 

[Dominion]

After absolutism you really don't want to increase your autonomy, since it will decrease your absolutism. In other words you'ss increase your overextension by raising autoomy.

Yea, not only that but raising aut barely does anything anyways.

Going over 100% lets so many provinces revolt, raising autonomy in all of those ends up costing more money than just mercing up and slapping them down.

Just a bad idea overall. This whole "raise autonomy in everything by default, it helps" idea stems from some of the earlier eu4 youtubers and never made sense to me. It's a strategical decision, not a one-for-all option.

 

[Viking]

Going over 100% is now much less of a problem than it was before the -100% RR for recent revolt modifier was introduced. Going full religious, getting a theologian and perhaps a policy or two can keep your accepted culture state religion provinces from revolting with the increased revolt risks if you apply a judicial local autonomy boost from time to time.

With the -100% RR modifier you are basically making all the revolts that were going to happen in the next 10 years happen in 2. So if your army is ready, it's not really a problem.

 

[bly08]

There's no need to ever go above 100 OE even if you can handle it. The only time when it's possible to maintain >100 OE is with full Humanist + unrest reduction NIs.

 

[True_Heir_of_Rome]

As others have said, you should be fine. There is a small chance you don't see any negative effects at all. I was at about 110 OE for the better part of a year just a few days ago and didn't get a single event.