How badly did I mess up?

[Zaddy]

Spoiler

See the picture. Playing on the beta, my PUs have been rebel factories for most of the game, spawning pretender rebels seemingly every 10 years. I don't know why, but they are. In this instance, I got distracted fighting another war and didn't notice a 20 stack of Portuguese pretender rebels successfully sieging down Lisboa. Portugal is my PU. If these rebels enforce, my PU will break as I understand it.

My questions are:

1) In the case of rebels enforcing demands via controlling the capital, can I prevent that by remaining at war?
2) If the PU breaks, will I get a Restoration of Union CB?

I'm playing Ironman, I unfortunately cannot reload far back enough to correct this mistake FYI.

Cheers.

 

[EarlKonrad]

Backup save is your friend. Go to the directory, copy and past the save into another folder. Try it out and then load back the save if things go horribly wrong.

 

[Joker_579]

@Zaddy In terms of why you have been getting so many rebels I do not know of the top of my head but it could be due to Portugal's Legitimacy being low?

But I can answer your 2 questions:
1) You cannot stop the demands being enforced by being at war, only way to do that is unseige the capital and remove the rebels.
2) Yes, you will get a truce and a Restoration of Union CB.

Some advice when dealing with rebels inside subjects, you only need to pay attention to Seperatist or religious rebels, and pretender rebels are only important if it is a Personal Union. Nobles and Particularists are not as important and can be ignored without causing major damage.

I hope this helps!

 

[LazySiege]

3 Months could be enough to unsiege the capital.
Hire Mercs, break wall, charge the castle. (A lot mercs...)

Which Map Mod do you have? Looks intresting.

 

[SonofWinter]

Smash the rebel army and they can't progress their demands. They can only enforce their demands if they get 100%. So destroy the rebels and then unsiege their capital and the issue is done.

Easy peasy.

No idea who you are fighting a war against but you can always stop the war or end it without a total victory. No point in losing a PU just to win one or two extra provinces somewhere else.

 

[Mindel]

If you're fighting Venice, then I would guess you probably have a stack somewhere by a Mediterranean coast.

I would take the fleet in Gibraltar (assuming it has transports) and use it to land a stack next to Lisboa. Then do a barrage to break the wall and immediately assault. Three months should be enough time.

 

[cuendillar]

You have a lot of subject rebels ticking upwards. The first priority should obviously be to save the PU, but thereafter it's probably a good idea to work preventively since it seems to be a recurring issue from what you write. One way is to have an army of yours suppress rebellion in Portugal's provinces if you can afford the maintenance. Another is to set their subject policy to defensive or sleepy so that they stay at home during wars and can deal with their own rebels to a greater degree - maybe give some financial subsidies too. New Spain could probably use their army at home too, as well as some extra cash to colonize and deal with uprisings.

 

[Blust]

Yeah that PU is gone, you won't be able to besiege Lisboa in less than 3 months. You will however get the restoration of union CB, but I don't think you'll get a truce if they're an old PU

 

[jonjowett]

@Zaddy In terms of why you have been getting so many rebels I do not know of the top of my head but it could be due to Portugal's Legitimacy being low?

Don't PU subjects use their overlord's legitimacy? If so, OP's legitimacy is 100, which means Portugal's is also 100.

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Smash the rebel army and they can't progress their demands. They can only enforce their demands if they get 100%. So destroy the rebels and then unsiege their capital and the issue is done.

Can you back up this claim, or can anyone confirm that this will work?

If it is true, it seems like the best choice for OP - defeating pretenders twice in 3 months is a lot easier than storming Lisbon in 3 months.

However, you have a disagreement, and there's no info about it either way on the wiki, and I've never heard of this tactic before. If OP tries this method, I suggest taking a backup save beforehand!

 

[bokorthedust]

Killing the rebel stack should set their progress back in my experience, then he'd have time to liberate the occupied provinces.

 

[Zaddy]

Howdy all, thanks for all the advice. I was able to liberate Lisboa by quickly shipping an army over to the province, breaching walls with my navy and then assaulting, stopping rebel progress.

re: rebel factions, my legitimacy has ranges from middling to good (60-100) the whole game. Not sure what my PUs are doing. They also constantly get estate rebels because the AI is now very aggressive with revoking land, but they can usually deal with it. The only thing I actively intervene for it pretenders.

Thanks all.

 

[Manwe_Sulimo]

Howdy all, thanks for all the advice. I was able to liberate Lisboa by quickly shipping an army over to the province, breaching walls with my navy and then assaulting, stopping rebel progress.

re: rebel factions, my legitimacy has ranges from middling to good (60-100) the whole game. Not sure what my PUs are doing. They also constantly get estate rebels because the AI is now very aggressive with revoking land, but they can usually deal with it. The only thing I actively intervene for it pretenders.

Thanks all.

Might be they got a lot of extra unrest from revoking, as it takes quite a while to tick down.
Cool you made it.

PS: I am also quite sure that if the rebel stack is gone then progress halts.