How are most HRE Electors?

[TheBagelmeister]

Why so many HRE Electors?

I don't understand why that's the case. In the time fame of EUII, or atleast the early part, only 7 states were Electors. They were the Archbishop of Mainz, the Archbishop of Trier, and the Archbishop of Cologne, the King of Bohemia, the Count Palatine of the Rhine, the Duke of Saxony, and the Margrave of Brandenburg. So, why are most States given the status of Electorate in the game? Is it because of the short life times of many German states, and to avoid there being only a single Elector?

 

[DSYoungEsq]

I don't understand why that's the case. In the time fame of EUII, or atleast the early part, only 7 states were Electors. They were the Archbishop of Mainz, the Archbishop of Trier, and the Archbishop of Cologne, the King of Bohemia, the Count Palatine of the Rhine, the Duke of Saxony, and the Margrave of Brandenburg. So, why are most States given the status of Electorate in the game? Is it because of the short life times of many German states, and to avoid there being only a single Elector?

Or no electors, which happens quite a bit if you leave only the traditional ones in.

 

[TheBagelmeister]

So it's more of a gameplay feature than an inaccuracy issue. And no, I think I'd just be two. You ever see Brandenburg and Bohemia annexed?

 

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So it's more of a gameplay feature than an inaccuracy issue. And no, I think I'd just be two. You ever see Brandenburg and Bohemia annexed?

bohemia? almost always.... by event to austria

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

I don't think I have ever seen a game where ai brandenburg hasn't been torn to little peices

 

[TheBagelmeister]

bohemia? almost always.... by event to austria

Heh, I meant be an evil coalition!

 

[LlywelynII]

I don't understand why that's the case. In the time fame of EUII, or atleast the early part, only 7 states were Electors. They were the Archbishop of Mainz, the Archbishop of Trier, and the Archbishop of Cologne, the King of Bohemia, the Count Palatine of the Rhine, the Duke of Saxony, and the Margrave of Brandenburg. So, why are most States given the status of Electorate in the game? Is it because of the short life times of many German states, and to avoid there being only a single Elector?

Besides, this also forces non-Habsburg contenders to really work at building grassroots German support for their bids. That's how I've always roleplayed it...

jay.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

Actually, what tends to happen these days (1.08b) is that the HRE often is Protestant.

 

[DPM128]

could they have programmed it so the leader of those lands becomes the elector, then the highest relations with those could be added to elect the HRE....



this would work, except if someone controlled all of these provinces...

 

[TheBagelmeister]

Heh, what'd I've like is for, if you were an elector state, to have an option of who to vote for Emperor. If the election was in his favour, you'd get a relations bonus.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

Well, the whole system is stupid, because by shortly after the start of the Grand Campaign, the HRE was solidly fixed in the Habsburg hands, and didn't leave them except for one brief period in the 1700's, eventually becoming hereditary essentially by primogeniture. So a more accurate method of deciding who was HRE would be to let whoever runs Austria be it, and if Austria is eliminated, then revert it to one of the German Minors.

 

[MAlexander06]

Under the old patches, Austria would almost always be HRE, or if not them, Spain. The Hapsburgs got a huge diplomatic bonus that made sure that they would almost always be elected. The problem was, IIRC, that it allowed Austria to vassalize and then diploannex most of Germany, making the Big White Blob incredibly powerful.

And to the Bagelmeister - in a sense, you do have an option of who to vote for. If you're an elector, the state with whom you have the best relations gets your vote. So you just raise relations with them as high as they will go, and then poof! They have a vote.

 

[TheBagelmeister]

Too bad I can't vote for myself. Heh, that'd be awesome as Brandenburg.

 

[LlywelynII]

Heh, what'd I've like is for, if you were an elector state, to have an option of who to vote for Emperor. If the election was in his favour, you'd get a relations bonus.

You realize this would require an event at the death of nearly every Catholic, Protestant or Reform monarch in the game, right?

Well, the whole system is stupid...

It's not completely stupid. The Habsburgs had to shell out a lot of their personal fortune - and take out a lot of loans against their future income - to secure all those elections... Hab gets a profound bonus to their votes; if they're losing to Prod AIs, the bonus just needs to be tweaked up again...

The problem was, IIRC, that it allowed Austria to vassalize and then diploannex most of Germany, making the Big White Blob incredibly powerful.

I don't see why a bonus to the HRE vote would cause this; it was the bonus to German relations that caused all that ugly white pus, which incidentally hasn't gone away...

Too bad I can't vote for myself.

You do - your relation with yourself is automatically +200. Check your savegame file. It's your second ballot that affects the other guys.

jay.

 

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I will start a MP game after summer
about german princes, electors of HRE Emperor ...
I added many Nations with 1 prov to my basic Elio GC.
I need modifying my Country.csv file to put
chances to those Nations as electors ...
Can anyone make that change?
Or explain it to me at least?

 

[Ayeshteni]

I will start a MP game after summer
about german princes, electors of HRE Emperor ...
I added many Nations with 1 prov to my basic Elio GC.
I need modifying my Country.csv file to put
chances to those Nations as electors ...
Can anyone make that change?
Or explain it to me at least?

KLE;LightGray;LightOrange;latin;HEI;MIN;MIN;MIN;8;1;4;8;5;8;5;9;1;X
BOH;Brown;LightOrange;latin;BOH;MIN;MIN;MIN;8;1;4;8;5;8;5;9;1;X
KNI;LightGray;LightOrange;latin;FRA;MIN;MIN;MIN;10;4;3;7;3;4;10;8;0;X
CRI;Gray;LightOrange;muslim;MUS;MUS;MUS;MUS;7;2;3;9;5;4;2;7;0;X

just change the red number to a number of 1 or more (=the number of votes they get). Any country with a 1 or more is deemed an elector.

EDIT: use notepad to make any changes NOT excel.

Ayeshteni

 

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The Holy Roman Empire Electorate is one of the things that will need a strong work and change if EU III is to be created. It's also related to the other huge problem: the lack of good coordination between german principalities. They got swallowed by France or Austria most of time.