Quick DIY version: go to common/technologies.txt, copy it over to a mod (see modding forum for more info) and change all the modifiers to 0. That is literally it.
But yeah equalising tech isn't really the topic of this thread.
How are Mesos/Andeans supposed to deal with 1st idea group at lvl 5?
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Quick DIY version: go to common/technologies.txt, copy it over to a mod (see modding forum for more info) and change all the modifiers to 0. That is literally it.
But yeah equalising tech isn't really the topic of this thread.
The European nations managed to conquer half the known world - places with very diverse cultures and geographical conditions. The only common factor was their technological superiority and diplomatic (divide and conquer plus more) abilities.
So even if you say the results were a fluke, that fluke repeated itself the world over.
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I'm for giving everyone an idea at level 3 - but staggering the availability of ideas (or requiring some sort of 'tree' where you can only get one after another) later on.
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No, it does not solve all of the problems, and you are misrepresenting history. That "tiny force" would have been massacred in complete joke fashion without the help of local soldiers. You claimed the Spanish force did it, not the Spanish force + large numbers of local forces opposed to the nation in question.
You are also attempting to use a realism argument selectively, and ignoring the problem that numerous other aspects of the situation are unrealistic when convenient to the European side. That's a no-sell.
The concept that Spain could have sent a force capable of conquering a united Mexico or Inca not torn by civil war (while bringing in European allies!) without getting its pants pulled down in Europe/going bankrupt is inane fantasy and has no more basis in reality than the Aztecs sinking their fleets with 25 early carracks. But which one did PI choose to remove and not the other?
And now a supposed nerf for colonization is instead threatening to massively nerf the new world. I suppose they might have altered the tech group costs to compensate? I haven't heard anything about that yet though.
Hyperbole isn't going to help your case.
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Don't actually do this, because I'm pretty sure that would mean North America natives get free tech since they have a 100% tech cost native advancement
And did they Europeans do this because they sent 20K, 40K, and 80K stacks around the world brute force destroying everything in their path? No. EU4 does not model history in any historic way in regards to this, and trying to model a non-historic approach to getting the same results is just plain silly.
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Tech cost is capped at a floor of 30, and they wouldn't be able to build ships unless they reformed. Still amusing though
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Additionally south-americans in fact HAD technology to cross and did cross Pacific - see Kon-Tiki and Thor Heyerdahl
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After a few weeks, if it doesn't work, it will probably change. I actually think the waiting till tech 4 is a bit unfair and everyone should have an idea at 3.
However, re: the whole history issue. The same pattern was repeated by many European nations across the world over and over again. Small expeditionary forces/armies etc taking over larger empires. Whether it be disease, divide and rule or sheer good/bad luck.
So if the same thing keeps on happening, then obviously it has to be more than just fluke.
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That actually sounds like fun. But as TMIT says they couldn't tech for free. There's also modifiers like ahead of time penalty that'd hold them back somewhat.
What Empires? Did Portugese conquer Ming? Ming kicked their ass. Did Britain conquer Mughals? Did any European country conquer Persia?
C'mon. Capture of some cities, sultanates equivalent to city-states etc does not met any criteria for Empire (and half of that was done with help of local rivals, without that Portugese would be kicked out of India for sure)
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No. In Mexico, a tiny Spanish force, at the head of 80-100,000 native allies, defeated the most important nation there, and then the conquest lasted 70 more years. In Peru, a tiny force massacred most of the leadership by opening fire during a peace treaty; 40 more years were needed for an actual conquest. And in the Yucatan, where there was no alliance nor treachery, the last Mayan city was taken 160 years after the beginning of the conquest.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ollantaytambo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cuzco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arauco_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_Yucatán
The first details how the Inca defeated the Spanish in a battle, securing their independence for decades after the death of Atahualpa. The second details the siege he nearly won to retake the heart of his empire. The third details how Mapuche warriors resisted the conquistadors up until well into the 19th century. The last shows how it took the Spanish over 150 years to conquer the Yucatecans (and even when they had, there were villages outside Spanish rule in the Lacandon).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cuzco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arauco_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_Yucatán
The first details how the Inca defeated the Spanish in a battle, securing their independence for decades after the death of Atahualpa. The second details the siege he nearly won to retake the heart of his empire. The third details how Mapuche warriors resisted the conquistadors up until well into the 19th century. The last shows how it took the Spanish over 150 years to conquer the Yucatecans (and even when they had, there were villages outside Spanish rule in the Lacandon).
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Actually, that's wrong. They took over the new world due to the heavy prevalence of disease (also note that NA tribes have the best examples of westernization, contrary to claims otherwise, as several did a good equivalent then got wiped). Anything past coastal areas in sub-Saharan Africa was completely impossible in this timeframe for the same reason. Great Britain's holdings in India were late-period and temporary. Nobody could touch Qing in this period. I think you're confusing "western" in EU with post-industrialized nations, which is a mistake. The industrial revolution and introduction of penicillin really did create a gigantic advantage for industrialized nations. Prior to that, the actual foreign presence in places like India and Spice islands was not so defined; a "trade company" with a puppet government that could turn on you with first opportunity holding populations almost entirely from the local area is very different to how North American colonization progressed.
But history isn't the issue here in the first place. It's not like Aztec is routinely overperforming in 1.9 or 1.11.
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There's a big difference between China/Persia/India and the majority of Africa and the Americas.
Realistically, we live in a world shaped by Europe. It's the way it is. It's conceivable that if things had gone differently, China might have colonised. The Mughal Empire might have expanded further. The hordes might have broken through to Paris!
However, it's highly unlikely that Wanka would have ruled the world. No matter how much spunk it's soldiers had.
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That's okay though, only the very best of the best on this board could possibly rule the world with Wanka, and it would take the full extent of their abilities.
What we're asking for on this thread is to not have a change that causes us to sit around another 20-50 years doing nothing when compared to the current state of the game, when such isn't necessary, not to make it easy to WC as Wanka or Zapotec.
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It's not about ruling the world, it's about being able to survive the conquest (and perhaps do some reconquest). Imagine, if a few events had gone differently in Medieval Spain, there would be Muslim Spaniards talking about how "unrealistic" a Catholic Spain would be in a video game.
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We are not talking about OPM Wanka. We are talking about big, nasty Inca, which is expanding beyond their historical borders.
What happened in history, as many already said, that Spaniards fluked out, used locals etc. e.g. for Inca, Spaniards found them at their low, just after civil war and killed ruler by subterfuge. Do you really believe that 168 Spaniards (number of Pizarro troops) were enough and singlehandly conquered whole Inca Empire?
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I agree - but I reckon changes will be made in a later patch. It's like anything really. If you throw in a load of new variables, you never know which ones will work and which ones won't.
As for nations in the Chinese and Indian regions; I think there is scope to improve their starting positions a bit. Fluke definitely comes into the fact it was Europe that went on to shape the world. Fluke the Mongol Chief snuffed it, causing a tribal gathering that stopped their rampage. Fluke that internal conditions at the time caused China to stagnate etc.
China (and it's various permutations) has been around as a civilization for thousands of years. Most of the others.. less so.
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