How are "Leader Shock" and "Leader Fire" bonuses calculated?

[Kelban]

I like to pick the Offensive idea tree with the +1 leader shock and +1 leader fire bonuses.

Are these bonuses already added to my general's pips at the time I hire the general, or are they calculated *in addition to* my general's pips in the combat phases?

 

[fleetothemoon]

I think it is the former.

 

[Baneslave]

Indeed, they are added when general is generated. I don't know if this is before the random roll or after the random roll.

 

[Alblaka]

They will add onto any newly general's stats. Which means that after unlocking the ideas you need to reroll your generals to have the bonus' apply.

 

[Sebokan]

So in theory you could get +3 shock from Aristocracy, Offensive idea, Lithuania Idea, does that mean you can potentialy get a shock 9 general or does it still cap at 6?

 

[Cavalry]

So in theory you could get +3 shock from Aristocracy, Offensive idea, Lithuania Idea, does that mean you can potentialy get a shock 9 general or does it still cap at 6?

They are capped at 6

 

[Sebokan]

They are capped at 6

Interesting. If you have +3 shock from ideas, you would be ok with 40-50 military tradition as it would still produce the best shock generals. Ofcouse, getting high fire is a different matter (unless you play Bohemia).

 

[pgroves]

Best to get these ideas early, as the bonuses don't apply to current generals, only new ones. BTW the shock and fire bonuses also apply to admirals and explorers, so can be useful even to pre-dominantly naval powers...