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I have a lot, 200 hours of experience at this game.. but scheming using the spymaster and making out my demese and demense buildings, just doesn't stop the goddamn factions. On succession I got two faction revolts, one I could deal with but the other had 17k men to my 11k, I lost of course even though I used terrain to help they still whooped my ass.

And before this war began I made one vassal LOVE me, he had 100 opinion and was STILL in the faction! What?! So how on Earth am I supposed to stop these revolts?
 

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Sometimes vassals are forced (corrorced(sp)) into factions against you by the spy-masters of the faction leader. There are two ways of combating this:
  1. Send your spymaster to the faction leader and force him/her to abandon the faction. This will allow any forced vassals to leave that faction. This is usually temporary because the ai likes to target the same vassals over and over
  2. Send your spymaster to the vassal and force them to drop the faction. This only works if your spymaster has greater skill than the faction leader's.
 
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The easiest way to manage factions is to send gifts to the faction members when you get the strong faction warning. When your vassals possess a medium-to-high opinion of you they'll leave their factions and even if you have a revolt it won't be strong enough to threaten you because it will have few members. Preempt this expensive solution by sending your spymaster to scheme against your strongest vassals, though you can only do this one vassal at a time.

Of course as you've noted this doesn't always work, since sometimes some vassals will still join factions against you despite having a perfect opinion. I've got almost 1000 hours and I have no clue why, It does happen quiet suddenly upon succession, sometimes before you can even plan for it. I've learned to always keep several hundred gold in the treasury for those rainy days when everything falls apart despite perfect planning. God bless mercs, they will beat down those rebels for you.
 

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It would help if you let us know who you are playing as, the size of your empire etc.

Sometimes, vassals are naturally inclined to rebel regardless of how high their opinion is. For example, you'll find this to be the case when you are playing as a unreformed pagan, and you have vassals who are not your de jure/or far away from your capital.
 

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Been a while since I played but you can kind of game the system by deliberately provoking a rebellion in a county and then crushing it, which gives all vassals +25 opinion for you.
You may have a vassal that you can imprison, if it fails he will revolt, and I think it also goes for when you are revoking a county through a plot.

You can also shut out rebellious vassals by transferring to someone else. If there is a count directly under you and he is rebellious, transfer him to the nearest duke to silence the count. Of course you can't do this infinitely but it's definitely one of the better options if you are in a critically dangerous situation.
 

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The first and most important point to keep vassals happy is to check de jure setup: do you own counties, or do you have direct vassals that a duke/king vassal might want (ie those in his de jure demesne)? In long games, there are often counts/dukes that win independance wars against their de jure liege, so you become their liege. You usually get no warning and a permamnent -25 modifier until you stransfer that vassal back or give the county. Sometimes it can even happen to baronnies, especially when you personnaly land courtiers: if part of their family is made up of counts/dukes, through inheritance you can end up with a baronny in Germany being the vassal of a duke in Navarra. Good luck finding that if you don't check opinion modifiers...



Otherwise, before inheritance (old 50+ grandpa):
- save money: if war breaks out after inheritance, you will want merc bands
- don't get involved in tough war: nothing like dying in a war against the HRE to be in trouble
- do your best to convert rulers not of your faith: old rulers are well liked so it's the best time to convert people for easier inheritance (gift gold if needed,...); opinion threshold for conversion acceptance is 30 so you can easily guess if it will work
- marry your daughters for alliances with foreign powers. Even if you don't have use for them against foreigners, it's a cheap way to get away from civil wars (if they are reluctant to join your war: gift gold)

After inheritance:
- make yourself more threatening in small realms (more troops: higher martial skill so hunting or war focus) or more friendly in large realms (more diplomacy: family or carousing focus; if carousing, invite your most powerful vassals and get friends for life...); marry a high diplomacy wife if possible; high martial wife however won't increase levies
- don't set plots to auto-end: let vassals plot giving you a reason to imprison those in your way when needed
- don't go to war: it depletes your levies which makes revolts more likely; defensive war are fine because you get opinion bonus in those
- give away minor titles: focus first on vassals that like you; going from say 0 opinion to 20 will allow you to get a few more troops, but won't prevent the vassal from joining factions
- have marshal train troops in your best holding: more troops discourages factions from giving you ultimatum
- make powerful vassals councilors (fulfil their ambitions); you can appoint more competent councilors after the inheritance crisis if you feel like
- if you have imprisonned vassal, ruler changed so opinion did as well... While imprisonned, they will hate you; they won't revolt for sure, but won't provide levies either. Sometimes it's better to keep them imprisonned if they still hate you; otherwise, releasing them is worth +50 opinion (merciful and no more imprisonned modifier)
- if you can create titles, now is the time, gifting them is an easy way to keep a vassal in check; on top you can transfer unruly counts/dukes to dukes/king and they won't be able to join factions against you anymore
- if there are still dangerous factions: gift gold to the most powerful vassals... 150 gold to keep two powerful duke loyal can be enough to avoid a rebelion that would cost you much more in raised levies upkeep in the end...
- extreme measure: imprison your most powerful vassal and eat tyranny... The others might hate you, but if they don't have the power to challenge you, you'll get away with it

There's more that I can't think of right now but if you do all this very few revolts should threaten you.
 
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Alright...I'm trying to manage as best as I can. I have crushed four rebellions and I have large opinion bonuses cause of it, but the factions are always on the brink of attacking me. And not even different ones. The same ones :independence and elective succession. And even though I have 40k levies and most vassals like or love me these damned factions are always hovering around 100% power.

Any advice on permanently reducing faction power? I've already maxed out my demense so....
 

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Do you have retinues? They say retinues aren't factored in, but once I paid for the expansion and got them I never had any problem with factions.

I'm pretty sure retinues are factored in. However, it is the quantity, rather than quality that matters. This applies for levies as well. What this usually means, is that retinues will constitute only a small portion of your total army and thus not make a major difference at all when it comes to whether AI vassal will join factors/rebel... the exception to this is if you are a horde or a republic (both can field considerably more retinue than levy) or a major empire that have mid-late progression in military tactics.
 

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Retinues absolutely count. That's why it's good to use the high quantity ones, it'll just scare your vassals into submission when they see you have as many troops as the rest of the realm combined in your personal army.

Thrake covered most of the important tips, but another one is to just plan your realm intelligently. Make it so that no one vassal is overwhelmingly powerful, that your vassals have the territory they believe they should have, that sort of thing.

I'm not sure what start you are on, but that is probably your issue. France has some terribly set up vassals in certain starts, like in 1066 there is basically a King of Aquitaine with all but the formal title.
 

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Alright...I'm trying to manage as best as I can. I have crushed four rebellions and I have large opinion bonuses cause of it, but the factions are always on the brink of attacking me. And not even different ones. The same ones :independence and elective succession. And even though I have 40k levies and most vassals like or love me these damned factions are always hovering around 100% power.

Any advice on permanently reducing faction power? I've already maxed out my demense so....

4 rebellions crushed is +100 opinion bonus. How do your vassals hate you that much such that you have 100% factions with +100 opinion from crushed revolts? it sounds like you need to hand out titles, fix de jure setups, etc.
 
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There's nothing too wrong really. I have high crown authority (-20 and I get a foreigner penalty of -18, and another 10 I believe for being craven. That's about it for me, the rest are just ambitious/desire certain things from me. Also the +100 bonus wears in effect cause new vassals succeed the old ones and don't consider the bonus. Most of the vassals are about the same amount of power.

How do you get retinues?
 

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It sounds like the issue you're having is trying to keep too many people happy. How many direct vassals do you have under you?

Ideally, at the King Level you should only be dealing with Dukes. Your personal demesne ought to be entirely under your control so you only ever have to deal with Burghers and the Church. Anything outside your demesne ought to be consolidated to your vassals. Take a look at de jur duchies and transfer vassalage accordingly. If you're sitting on direct control of a bunch of Counts...those are just more and more people you have to personally keep happy.

EDIT: Foreigner penalty...have you considered switching to the culture of those you rule? Also do you really truly need High Crown Authority? I know it's needed for Primogeniture, but once you have that law set you can drop Crown Authority back down without losing your succession change. Plus if the realm is mostly stable, watching the Dukes battle it out for their own slice can be amusing and give you some real rivals.
 

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I have 41 vassals, no counts. All except one are dukes, that one is a serene doge of a merchant republic or something. I'm an emperor (custom empire) btw.

And the foreigner penalty...well my realm isn't unanimous in terms of culture so that wouldn't really help
 

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Alright...I'm trying to manage as best as I can. I have crushed four rebellions and I have large opinion bonuses cause of it, but the factions are always on the brink of attacking me. And not even different ones. The same ones :independence and elective succession. And even though I have 40k levies and most vassals like or love me these damned factions are always hovering around 100% power.

Any advice on permanently reducing faction power? I've already maxed out my demense so....

Revoke annoying vassals after you crushed a revolt (foreign culture, ambitious, envious,...) and give it to guys of your culture/religion that will cause the least problems (content, same traits than you,...). There must be something wrong if you keep having factions.
 

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I have 41 vassals, no counts. All except one are dukes, that one is a serene doge of a merchant republic or something. I'm an emperor (custom empire) btw.

And the foreigner penalty...well my realm isn't unanimous in terms of culture so that wouldn't really help

Okay, if you're an Emperor, your best bet would be Vassal Kings. That'll remove a huge headache from you right there. If you've got the land, pick some family members, land them inside the realms they'll be ruling, king 'em, and get your vassals down to a reasonable level. Though at the Empire tier, you definitely want to invest in some retinues to stomp on revolts (Which also tend to be handy-dandy means of acquiring more lands to put your own people into, especially with High Crown Authority allowing you to strip titles off folks without penalty).
 

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Traits also matter. Trait like cruel, arbitrary and shy can make you stuck in factions for the rest of your reign. With the Way of Life focuses you should try to change these traits into positive ones.
 

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There's nothing too wrong really. I have high crown authority (-20 and I get a foreigner penalty of -18, and another 10 I believe for being craven. That's about it for me, the rest are just ambitious/desire certain things from me. Also the +100 bonus wears in effect cause new vassals succeed the old ones and don't consider the bonus. Most of the vassals are about the same amount of power.

How do you get retinues?

You say that they "desire" certain things of you... is this a tooltip in their opinion to the effect of "desires the county of x" or "desires control of the county of x" or something similar? If so, take a look at the de jure structure of your realm. Your dukes will want you to give them the counties in their de jure duchy if you control said county, and will want you to transfer their rightful vassals if a direct vassal of yours holds the title. Fixing your de jure structure can help a whole lot, both by removing the penalty and giving a bonus for having given them the land. When I notice problems with my realm structure, I like to save fixing it for inheritance or other times factions might pop up for just this reason.
 

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41 dukes for an emperor ?
If one duke is ready to fight you, make a king, and give him this duke.

Often, I try to make few kings, but with some dejure areas of other king. (king of France with some dukes of Italy, and king of Italy with some dukes of France). They spend after time to fight together and love me. :)
Ok, sometimes one win too much, so I attack him when I can, and take his kingdom. And I give this kingdom to a weak vassal with some far dukes.