How About Having Plague And It's Effects!!

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I just had a thought. Was plague or rather pestilence brought about by war a common thing then in Europe? It must have been at least up till just after Joan Of Arc.

If it was around, maybe we can have it included either as a consequence of war, or a random event, effected by city size vs. infrastructure and stabilty as well as war and occupation. Even if there was a battle in the province!

That'd be great - then navies that go to plagued ports get plague and maybe get banned from other ports and get a penalty in battle (whilst infecting opponents with plague if they go through maybe 3 boarding stages during combat), the same with armies!!

Maybe this would work hand in hand with germs spreading in the New World - haha, you could send all you plagued troops to the New World to clear provinces - hahahahahaha....

 

[alvaro]

Oh God! you don't know the kind of beast you have inside until you play EU
but...that's actually a great idea, mate!!
Anyway we always solve all these moral contradictions with: c'mon, it's just a game!

 

[Owl]

Your plague-ridden troops would never survive the sea voyage!

Of course we do have the plague already but only as an annoying and illogical random event. It could be fun making it more pervasive and long-lasting.

 

[Besuchov]

Originally posted by attamaco
I just had a thought. Was plague or rather pestilence brought about by war a common thing then in Europe? It must have been at least up till just after Joan Of Arc.

The last time there was a plague in Sweden was 1710-12.

I agree that the plague should be represented better. The plague should be a possible consequence of war since it was the most common during wartime. Perhaps there should be a small chance that the plague starts in a certain province and after that there would be a population decrease equal to the war exhaustion until the plague ends. A lot of wars during the era brought poulation decreases not only for the coutries being invaded.

 

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Originally posted by Owl
Your plague-ridden troops would never survive the sea voyage!

Of course we do have the plague already but only as an annoying and illogical random event. It could be fun making it more pervasive and long-lasting.

I'm getting excited by the strategic options available here. Would a player then go to war with rival suffering plague so that they can get plague to use as a 'tactical weapon'? Wow - germ warfare in the 1400s!! You could even keep nuturing troops with plague to send against enemy cities at war!

Deterrent is that "WE SHALT PLAGUE THEE!!!" instead of "WE SHALL NUKE YOU!!" of the modern era!

Would the AI even recognise Plague as a Tactical Weapon and Deterrent to War!!

 

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Originally posted by attamaco
- hahahahahaha....

The correct demonical laughter is "Muhahaha"

 

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OK Mwuhahahahaha!!!!

 

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I myself hate it when disease hits my country's in strategy games. I thank god it wasn't incoporated in this game. Yes, it play's a big part in history, but i hate it when my carefully nurtured provinces are hit with plague.

 

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Hate to disappoint...

Originally posted by Temujin
I myself hate it when disease hits my country's in strategy games. I thank god it wasn't incoporated in this game. Yes, it play's a big part in history, but i hate it when my carefully nurtured provinces are hit with plague.

Maybe you just haven't seen it, but EU I DOES have a plague random event. It usually halves the population of 2 or 3 provinces that are next to each other.

You must be one lucky guy not to have seen it.

 

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Actually, i think i may have seen it, but i turned off the random events. For some reason, i still get events that benefit me. If a plague hits, its spreading all over Europe, or at least will effect a large area.

 

[Demetrios]

Re: Re: How About Having Plague And It's Effects!!

Originally posted by Besuchov


The last time there was a plague in Sweden was 1710-12.

The last time there was a plague in Sweden, or most of the rest of the world, was in 1918-1919, when the Spanish flu killed 50,000,000 people world-wide...

 

[Blade!]

Good call on the Flu! I mean that was the real reason for ending WWI, all the troops were sick!

 

[Locmar]

plague vs. epidemic

I'm pretty sure that "plague" refers to a specific set of diseases, ie bubonic plague, pneumonic plague, etc. The the flu attack after WWI wasn't really an outbreak of plague, it was a pandemic. Also, I'm pretty sure the bubonic plague hits non-european areas periodically to this day...I saw a documentary that claimed the Japanese used plague and anthrax germs on Chinese troops in WWII, and those diseases still periodically ravage the countryside.

 

[Demetrios]

In purely scientific terms, yes "plague" refers to only certain types of diseases. In the colloquial sense, a plague is pretty much equivalent to pandemic in meaning. In ancient, medieval, and modern times, any widespread, highly-contageous disease was considered a plague, and using this meaning, the Spainsh flu pandemic of 1918-1919 certainly was a plague.

 

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There is indeed a difference between "a plague of influenza" or "a plague of consumption" and THE plague, the terror of which I don't think many people nowadays are even capable of comprehending. This disease wiped out at least one-third of the population of all Europe in a span of two years, and during the EU timespan nobody knew when, or if, it might happen again... there were periodic outbreaks, although never anything on such a huge scale again, and it finally died out in the region due to the brown rat supplanting the black- the brown rat does not carry plague germs.

To be realistic, the "plague" random events should happen maybe every other decade, sweep across whole countries, or maybe even the whole continent, and knock 10% or so from the population of all the provinces it hits. That takes some radical reprogramming though, since it can't be treated as a RE in the current sense, which hits a single country. Also, once trading vessels between the Indies and Europe become commonplace, the incidence of plague should gradually fade off (brown rats making their appearance.)

Incidentally, it's not something we need to worry about nowadays because there are no strains of pasturella pestis which are resistant to antibiotics.






YET.

 

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I like the idea of plauged troops and such, but only if the AI is smart enough to be dettered from attacking a plauge-ridden nation. Otherwise you'd just get situations where the AI stupidly screws the player over and itself over at the same time, when it'd be in the interest of both to avoid plauge. I'd also want to make sure it knows how to use plauge troops properly.

 

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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I'd also want to make sure it knows how to use plauge troops properly.

Hunh??

The biggest problem with plague is that the people desperately fleeing the area, province, country to avoid it, take it with them and infect everybody else. Unless you slaughter at the borders every person who tries to enter your country, you can't avoid it

Using plague-ridden troops to infect enemy territory isn't an option, since anybody carrying the plague dies within 72 hours. They'd never get there... or if you raised a sufficiently huge army that some few of them might live long enough to reach the target, you'd wipe out your economy and military strength anyway.

 

[Blade!]

Right! GErm-warfare would be impossible... you couldn't send troops over the border, or to the Americas... because they would simply die before they got there... plus you would lose your fleet as all your sailors would die!
A good idea for Plague spread would be by trading centers, and who are dominat players there.... the bigger presence you have there..the bigger chance you have of taking it home..and to spreading it to tother COTs you might have access too! Now there is a GOOD reason for a Trade Embargo!

 

[alvaro]

Originally posted by Blade!

A good idea for Plague spread would be by trading centers, and who are dominat players there.... the bigger presence you have there..the bigger chance you have of taking it home..and to spreading it to tother COTs you might have access too! Now there is a GOOD reason for a Trade Embargo!

In Cadiz (CoT Andalucia) there was the plague periodically regardless they were in war or not. Anyway, the city was closed during tht time until the plague was finished.

just my 2 p's.

 

[Besuchov]

Re: Re: Re: How About Having Plague And It's Effects!!

Originally posted by Demetrios


The last time there was a plague in Sweden, or most of the rest of the world, was in 1918-1919, when the Spanish flu killed 50,000,000 people world-wide...

Sorry about that. After looking up the word plague in my swedish-english dictionary I realize that it could also refer to a horrible disease in general. What a meat was the family i disesases that include bubonic plague, known in swedish as "pest". And that was what sweden last had in 1710-12.

On the disscussion in general: I know there is a random event that halves the population. What would be nicer(or not, depending in from who's viewpoint) would be some sort of spreading effect, maybe as I suggested above or with the movement of armies maybe...
It is probabely to include in EUII but maybe later....