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Castles and Manors have been somewhat combined in CK2 to be one thing, and Castles have lost a lot of their importance since every baron has a castle.

Castles were expensive as hell but vital to defense, and were pretty much limited to, in CK2 terms, kings and dukes. The current Castle baronies should lose their defensive role they currently occupy and be Manors, with higher tax revenues and some Manorial themed buildings but the fortress element should be changed.

Instead, let's have EU4 style castles where the castle has a zone of control, blocks armies, takes much more to siege, and costs money instead of earning it to maintain.

I would also like to change liege levies to realm levies. Right now you mobilize your vassal armies but this is quite gamey in many circumstances and also weird that usually in a war only the king is participating. Instead of liege levies granting a percentage of your vassal's troops, instead realm levies should take a small percentage of the troops of every holding in the realm and funnel it into the realm's castles. The Castellan of the castle would therefore command not only a location vital for defense and zone of control, but would also command the troops of the realm. Castellans aren't independent and are basically super-commanders, every castle has to have their own Castellan, though Kings, Dukes and Counts command the castle where their capital is, and 50% of realm troops go to that castle. Realm levy troops make up by default 2% of castle, city and bishopric forces, every level of crown authority increases this by 2%, as does every level of levy law, meaning the castles and realm levies can hold a maximum of 20% of the whole realm's forces.

In wartime, beyond the forces they are required to send you in the realm levies, the rest of the realm joins or doesn't join the war and fights under their own banner, like tribal vassals do. This is the middle ages and the military was rather decentralized. This means if everyone in the realm quite likes you, you'll have a ton of armies fighting for you, if they hate you, you might end up fighting by yourself.

A few things, if you are fighting a defensive war, the owner of the title you are defending should always join your war, even if they hate your guts. If the Duke of Normandy loathes you, but you are fighting a defensive war over his county of Evreaux, he will enthusiastically join the war. People with political concerns over that same duke or his rivals, correspondingly, will have to figure out whether they like you more than they hate him :v

Controlling castles becomes a vital interest. If the king controls all the castles in the realm, his vassals have very little power, but if a duke controls a couple castles, they control a good chunk of the military forces. Since the new EU4 castles dynamic was introduced, its absence in CK2 is felt. Castles should be a large financial drain, perhaps costing 2 ducats per fort level to maintain each, so if the king wants to control them all himself, feudal taxes become necessary.

The Fortress mechanic I feel should be changed to this Castle mechanic, with the cheapo 100 ducat castle maybe called a Palisade (garrison = 2000, fort level 1), upgradable to a hill fort at 200 ducats (garrison = 4000, fort level 2) and a proper castle at perhaps 400 ducats (garrison = 8000, fort level 3) and a great castle at 800 (garrison = 16,000, fort level 4) and finally the level 5 fort costs 1600 ducats and has fort level 5 and a 32,0000 man garrison (Constantinople). Castellans command the garrison forces in defensive sieges and don't venture out like commanders do.

Like in EU4, you should not be able to seize territory in a war where you haven't captured any castles. As long as your enemy has a castle remaining in the area contested, the war continues. Conversely, capturing the castle controlling an area basically wins the war.
 
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As a generalization, England is significantly different in terms of governmental structure when compared to the continent. The vanilla CK2 model in fact fits England very poorly.
Well quite frankly the vanilla ck2 model fits everyone somewhat well and no one perfectly. I'd say that the model is actually based on france and thus fits norman england better than it does most others.
 
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Well quite frankly the vanilla ck2 model fits everyone somewhat well and no one perfectly. I'd say that the model is actually based on france and thus fits norman england better than it does most others.

While that might sound right, it really isn't. Ironically England ended up with a drastically different situation as far as laws, government structure, and title privileges from France. That's coming from literally hundreds of hours researching both (as well as other sections of the mainland).

Now, I am not saying vanilla is a great representation of all the continent, it is much closer than it is to England. But, England is it's own beast so you couldn't really base any vanilla feature on it.
 

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While that might sound right, it really isn't. Ironically England ended up with a drastically different situation as far as laws, government structure, and title privileges from France. That's coming from literally hundreds of hours researching both (as well as other sections of the mainland).

Now, I am not saying vanilla is a great representation of all the continent, it is much closer than it is to England. But, England is it's own beast so you couldn't really base any vanilla feature on it.
While true england was diffrent then france other countries bordering france was more diffrent. The german (were frakish under the karlings but as soon as the ottonian dynasty took over they owed more of their structure to the old saxon kingdoms than to francia) and italian (not at all feudal) states differ much more. The only one that may be closer to the french system as far as I know is the iberian states, and I don't know that I just speculate considering how the spanish march was french in nature and there was constant influx of frankish knights.
While the normans (and the anglo-saxons before them) took some of what was there before into the structure of their society it does have much stronger ties to france than any other european country (except the spanish march obviously).
 

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You mean anglosaxons right? Because I'm half saxon , real german saxon, and I've never heard of the concept of manor used that way.
Has it occoured to you that england is not a good example of how things generally happened in europe? For an example in sweden ring forts were linked to nobles. Sigurd Ring for an example was probably so named becuase he built a ring fort somewhere.
And yes that's how nobility evolved, the tribe built a ring fort, the strongest of them is put in charge of leading the men in battle, in time that also comes to mean managing the ringfort. As time passes the chiefs are more and more only concerned with that task, and in order to let them do that better the villagers start to providing other things they need. In time this evolves to the first nobles. As the nobles start conquering one another you get the first hints of a feudal society. And it all started with having a guy to make sure that the walls of your local ringfort didn't fall down.

Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with the people of modern Saxony. Have you also considered that things developed diffrently in Sweden? The feudal mode used in Game is pretty damn close to the systems in France and England. Their rulers and leadership systems were near identical ultill way after the Hundred Years War- the diffrence is that England started out with a Strong Monarchy that slowly lost power to the regional nobles while France was the inverse. Remember Medieval France, over 50% was controled under England using the English law and administrive system.
 

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Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with the people of modern Saxony. Have you also considered that things developed diffrently in Sweden? The feudal mode used in Game is pretty damn close to the systems in France and England. Their rulers and leadership systems were near identical ultill way after the Hundred Years War- the diffrence is that England started out with a Strong Monarchy that slowly lost power to the regional nobles while France was the inverse. Remember Medieval France, over 50% was controled under England using the English law and administrive system.
I wasn't the one who used saxon for anglo-saxon. And saxons are much more than just saxony, all of northern germany are really saxons*. The anglo saxons are just the descendants of a few who left to settle on the brittish isles.

The easiest way to describe it is by eu4 terms, Westphalian are really the original saxons, that's where the 'original' homeland of the saxon people was, the saxons are obviously saxon, and pommeranians and prussians were slavic/baltic who were conquered, settled and culturally assimiliated by saxons (the teutonic order drew most of their numbers from the saxon parts of the HRE).