How about an Oriental Game?

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I read some of the posts above and see many misconceptions. First is the misconception of "Oriential Despotism". While there technically was an emperor for most of China's history, the control he exerted is very limited. The Chinese proverb " the Sky is high and the Emperor is far away" is a reflection of this. The day to day existence was largely libertarian, and the emperor was at least useful when he crushed local wannabe warlords. In addition, peasants were comparatively well armed (to outshoot the nomads with crossbows), and if some local bad guy springs up and tries to control other people's lives there was always the Xia, which unlike the European Knight Errants were not limited to nobles.

I could not disagree more.
The complex bureaucracy of Chinese empire penetrates to every level of Chinese society. The appointment of officials, for example, is in the firm control of the central authority.
Plus, "The sky is high and emperor is far away" mainly implies that local officials, once named, can often do craps until it's too late for the Emperor to find out. It sorts of voices out ordinary Chinese people's frustration from time to time. However, once found out, the punishment was often swift and severe.

(P.P.S and still OT). I am rather amused by the claims that China did not spread disease to kill lots of people. Have we forgotten about the black plague? That actually most probably originated in China and killed 1/3 of Europe. Now that gives me a surreal picture of a localised CK where my Chinese "conquistador" spreads disease to kill European "natives". :rofl:

Hahaha, good one. Now I don't feel bad for China's years of humiliatoin in the hands of Europeans now, thinking about how our plagues killed so many of them.

Juuust kidding.

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Black Death started in Central Asia? How did the Chinese get involved in all this again?

As far as I can understand, the so-called Xia is largely a myth, although the concept itself is ancient. Their stories aren't particularly impressive either -- seems that they functioned mostly as assassins. I prefer ninjas. Heck of a lot more effective.

 

[Aetius]

I am all for an expansion further east of the map as a part of an expansion pack, if Rome is successful. China and India may be different but I don't think they are impossible to shoe in somehow.

If Paradox developed an "Ancient" game series (without Americas, Sub-saharan Africa, Siberia, Australia/Oceania), the ideal should be to cover all ancient civilization centers. Covering both the Alexander and Fall of Rome Dark Age (with the Tang/Arab contest in Central Asia) would be great.

If you compare EU1 with EU3, there is a huge difference in how the rest of the world is modelled. Hopefully this will be the way forward.

 

[Aetius]

I could not disagree more.
The complex bureaucracy of Chinese empire penetrates to every level of Chinese society. The appointment of officials, for example, is in the firm control of the central authority.
Plus, "The sky is high and emperor is far away" mainly implies that local officials, once named, can often do craps until it's too late for the Emperor to find out. It sorts of voices out ordinary Chinese people's frustration from time to time. However, once found out, the punishment was often swift and severe.

It isn't that different from similar civilizations. The only different is that the Chinese were more effective at keeping all together. E.g. Roman governors or Indian Zamindars or Arab Emirs functioned on similar principles.

 

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It isn't that different from similar civilizations. The only different is that the Chinese were more effective at keeping all together. E.g. Roman governors or Indian Zamindars or Arab Emirs functioned on similar principles.

Sadly no, Roman governors can choose their own assistants and rely upon tax farmers to do the revenue collecting.

In China, not only the governor is named by the emperor, but all the officials below the governor is selected by the Royal Court as well (several different methods in different periods).

The tax collecting is also institutionalized and integrated into the whole bureaucratic system.

 

[DarkReborn]

I aslo think that the East(note that I'm not chinese, but I love chinese culture and history) is sometimes neglected in Paradox games (in HOI1-2 for example, is very well defined) I aslo would like a Warring states or three kingdoms game

 

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Bandit Kings of Ancient China
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 1-?!

Not by Paradox, but there are still plenty of good games based on that part of the world

 

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Bandit Kings of Ancient China
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 1-?!

Not by Paradox, but there are still plenty of good games based on that part of the world

Great games, but they were all in the style of Koei. I think some of us want to see Paradox's interpretation.

cheers

 

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Please, no more "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". I am sick and tired of that period. Can't we be a little creative? like the Warring States? North/South Dynasties? 5 Dynasties/16 kingdoms? face-off between Song, west Xia, and Jurchen? There is also the war between Han and Huns, between Tang and Turks (and later with Goguryeo), between Ming and Manchus... More recently there's also the opium war, the sino-japanese war, the civil war and so on and so forth.

 

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Please, no more "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". I am sick and tired of that period. Can't we be a little creative? like the Warring States? North/South Dynasties? 5 Dynasties/16 kingdoms? face-off between Song, west Xia, and Jurchen? There is also the war between Han and Huns, between Tang and Turks (and later with Goguryeo), between Ming and Manchus... More recently there's also the opium war, the sino-japanese war, the civil war and so on and so forth.

INDEED, Three Kingdoms Period is bored.

 

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I would also like a China or India game.