How about an Oriental Game?

[Swamp Rat]

A lot of accounts are often from a single source. For example, much of tales during the last days of the Republic are from the letters and works of Cicero, whose work were perserved cuz he was name a righteous pagan.

Actually the last days of the Republic is one of the best covered eras in Roman history because several active players and eyewitnesses have written about it, Cicero's letters which includes numerous letters to Cicero as well written by all the major figures, Caesar, Sallust and Lucan. Then add the later sources written about the era based on sources we dont have anymore (ex. like Florus' account based on the lost account by Livy, or Appians work) there is so much to go from that some events can actually be followed on a day-to-day basis.

 

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Actually the last days of the Republic is one of the best covered eras in Roman history because several active players and eyewitnesses have written about it, Cicero's letters which includes numerous letters to Cicero as well written by all the major figures, Caesar, Sallust and Lucan. Then add the later sources written about the era based on sources we dont have anymore (ex. like Florus' account based on the lost account by Livy, or Appians work) there is so much to go from that some events can actually be followed on a day-to-day basis.

right....Caesar's letters survived...
why dont u show me a segment of it LOL...

 

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Actually the last days of the Republic is one of the best covered eras in Roman history because several active players and eyewitnesses have written about it, Cicero's letters which includes numerous letters to Cicero as well written by all the major figures, Caesar, Sallust and Lucan. Then add the later sources written about the era based on sources we dont have anymore (ex. like Florus' account based on the lost account by Livy, or Appians work) there is so much to go from that some events can actually be followed on a day-to-day basis.

"day-to-day basis", u serious?
historians even have trouble to identify the exact date of the end of Caesar's term as a governor in Gaul.
The most important battlefield of civil war, Pharalus, is still unidentified.

 

[Verenti]

Back on Topic:

I would really like to see them tackle a more of CK style, heavier RPG elements game depicting the Bandits of Liangshang Marsh. A game where virtue and gallantry are important to succede.

I would really like to see ANYONE tackle that game, really

 

[Swamp Rat]

right....Caesar's letters survived...
why dont u show me a segment of it LOL...

I didnt claim Caesars letters survived. The names following my mention of Cicero was the other sources that we have, not a list of the names of the letters to Cicero.

"day-to-day basis", u serious?
historians even have trouble to identify the exact date of the end of Caesar's term as a governor in Gaul.
The most important battlefield of civil war, Pharalus, is still unidentified.

Yes im serious. Of course the sources wont give information about the modern whereabouts o specific battlefields if the original placenames have been chanced or lost. I also mean day-to-day basis on the development of the power struggle of the various factions in Rome.

And i never said all the events, but some, which is still a whole lot more than we can say of the rest of Roman history.

 

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Back on Topic:

I would really like to see them tackle a more of CK style, heavier RPG elements game depicting the Bandits of Liangshang Marsh. A game where virtue and gallantry are important to succede.

I would really like to see ANYONE tackle that game, really

Oh, I'd LOVE to see THAT game.

in-time-rain Give River
wisdom-plenty-star No Use

but it really would make a great game. great MMORPG in fact. wonder why no one's tackled that thus far?

 

[minority]

I was just saying, there isn't enough financial incentive in the West, or interest for that matter, to create a game about the East (specifically the Orient). I mean, look at every single Western game that has a Chinese faction in it. What's their unique feature? Population! Units that aren't particularly strong but relatively easy for mass production. That's as much as most Westerners understand about Chinese warfare. Call that genuine interest in Oriental history, cos I don't.

S:TW is prolly as much as anyone's gonna approach the Orient, partly because Japan has such a fascinating history and culture, partly because Europeans can relate to the feudal past of that island.

It's not nice to hear, and it's not PC, but it's the truth. Heck, I'd like to see a warring states game myself.

I would have to disagree about S:TW's interest rising from the parallels in feudalism with Europe. For the most part, TW players aren't always history buffs themselves. Couple that with the then revolutionary battle system and the fact that Japanese history has received more airtime by virtue of a more prosperous Japan and we have the sales. 'Fascinating' is far too subjective a word to explain away the apparent popularity of Japanese history and culture in the West.

What I'm trying to say is that while plenty would argue that the lack of interest in Chinese history by the West is inherent (more interest in local history, lack of parallels in Chinese and European history etc.), I would disagree.

I am Asian and personally know more about Western history than about the history of any Asian region (unless it's an event that involves a Western power) and the feudal system in China was not much different from feudal systems anywhere else in the world really.

The biggest reason why I think that a China game would be unlikely is because regardless of market conditions, the project pursued by a developer would always be one that interests the devs themselves and I don't believe Paradox devs are great fans of Chinese history to begin with. Wouldn't blame them for that.

cheers

 

[Mr. G]

Unfortunately the West will almost always ignore the East.

true.

 

[L'Afrique]

You say that as if "the West" is somehow uniquely ignorant, while "the East" appreciates both sides evenly. In reality, the East is just as focused on itself. China, for example, has almost always been one of the most arrogant and xenophobic nations on the planet.

 

[Zoston]

China, for example, has almost always been one of the most arrogant and xenophobic nations on the planet.

I think arrogance and xenophobia is a characteristic of any human nation that achieves, from their perspective, world hegemony. Whether it be Rome, China, 'the West', it is the nature of the human.

 

[minority]

You say that as if "the West" is somehow uniquely ignorant, while "the East" appreciates both sides evenly. In reality, the East is just as focused on itself. China, for example, has almost always been one of the most arrogant and xenophobic nations on the planet.

In the end, none of any of the generalisations here work.

cheers

 

[shasla6]

You say that as if "the West" is somehow uniquely ignorant, while "the East" appreciates both sides evenly. In reality, the East is just as focused on itself. China, for example, has almost always been one of the most arrogant and xenophobic nations on the planet.

It is almost certainly more so. You don't see Eastern countries obsessing over the extremely dubious virtue of cultural diversity the way we here in the Progressive West do today.

 

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You say that as if "the West" is somehow uniquely ignorant, while "the East" appreciates both sides evenly. In reality, the East is just as focused on itself. China, for example, has almost always been one of the most arrogant and xenophobic nations on the planet.

oh really...
China didn't crusade others just because of different religion, or colonize others and destroy other people's way of life, spread deadly disease, make a billion people slaves, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Gothmog]

oh really...
China didn't crusade others just because of different religion, or colonize others and destroy other people's way of life, spread deadly disease, make a billion people slaves, etc. etc. etc.

If this is an intentional attempt at derailing this thread, then you've probably hit your mark quite well. If not, then I fail to see the point of the above post.

I do hope the other posters can avoid the (almost) inevitable flame wars that usually follow on posts like these and stick to the topic at hand.

 

[Jayavarman]

If this is an intentional attempt at derailing this thread, then you've probably hit your mark quite well. If not, then I fail to see the point of the above post.

I do hope the other posters can avoid the (almost) inevitable flame wars that usually follow on posts like these and stick to the topic at hand.

Yes, especially since the post is so accurate.

 

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If this is an intentional attempt at derailing this thread, then you've probably hit your mark quite well. If not, then I fail to see the point of the above post.

I do hope the other posters can avoid the (almost) inevitable flame wars that usually follow on posts like these and stick to the topic at hand.

na..just educate that person a little bit, it's hard for me to stay silent when people say ignorant things lol

 

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Yes, especially since the post is so accurate.

u got something to say? say it,
don't be a wuss throwing sarcastic craps all over.

 

[Divi]

na..just educate that person a little bit, it's hard for me to stay silent when people say ignorant things lol

You're not educating much... Chinese expansion was often fuelled on the same kind of stuff that made the late medieval Frankish-Arab relations crap to begin with (besides the pope trying to save his back from the normans, that is).

China also colonized, once had institutionalized slavery, and only didn't spread contagious diseases because its imperial efforts were land-based... Besides the problem that many of these diseases spread in parts of America before europeans even made contact there, so it's really hard to see how you could blame sailors for an improper sneeze.

Now do you want to keep going at it, or do you intend to be constructive.

 

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You're not educating much... Chinese expansion was often fuelled on the same kind of stuff that made the late medieval Frankish-Arab relations crap to begin with (besides the pope trying to save his back from the normans, that is).

now you gotta educate me with an instance where China decided to expand in the name of converting pagans....

China also colonized, once had institutionalized slavery,

China had slavery, like all major civilizations, but you have to show me when did the Chinese go beyond the ocean and enslaved a whole continent of people, and still doing it until 18th century, even after developing a bunch of theory on natural rights, equal protection under the law bla bla bla.

so it's really hard to see how you could blame sailors for an improper sneeze.

now let's not even talk about purposely giving Indians blankets from other Indians who died of smallpox.

Now do you want to keep going at it, or do you intend to be constructive.

I am pretty constructive so far, i just want to get the truth out.

 

[shasla6]

oh really...
China didn't crusade others just because of different religion, or colonize others and destroy other people's way of life, spread deadly disease, make a billion people slaves, etc. etc. etc.

Do you practice mind numbing stupidity, or does it just come naturally?

na..just educate that person a little bit, it's hard for me to stay silent when people say ignorant things lol

You are the last person here that should be speaking of ignorance.

I am pretty constructive so far, i just want to get the truth out.

But of course, The Truth. Because if your hippy History 101 professor said so, it must be The Truth.