These guys (dynasty 20084) belonged to a great Norse-Gael dynasty who ruled parts of the British Isles around Mann, Dublin and the Hebrides. Currently they start with some weird cultural mixes, such as the grandfather, father and son in 1066 having different cultures. Some are Irish, some are Scots, some are Norwegian. Seems quite random, and pretty confusing. You could change their dynasty name to Ivarætten, the Norse name. That isn't too important, though, and Uí Ímair is certainly the better known version.
As they're only around at the start of the game and rule Norwegian culture provinces, I'd suggest making them Norwegian culture. As we don't have a proper way to represent the Norse-Gaels then I think this would be good; they certainly shouldn't be Scottish, and there are tons of Irish characters anyway. Arguably there are only two great Norse-Gael clans left by 1066 -- these and the Crovans -- so it seems an ideal solution. Also, these areas would likely have remained Norse had the Norse-Gaels not been assimilated or usurped and replaced with Anglo-Norman rulers. Gaelic and Old Norse names are used interchangeably for the most part, but it does seem a nice gameplay decision to go with Norwegian due to province culture (as I've mentioned) and the fact that the Irish and Scots will usually conquer the remaining Norse-Gael provinces quite quickly, after which they will tend to change culture. By having them as Norwegian, this will add a bit more flavor (which is not inaccurate) and also give the player something of a challenge as a nice alternative to the Crovans, who historically usurped the Uí Ímair and conquered Mann.
So, we'll start with the two characters in the Norwegian file and then work down.
norwegian.txt
irish.txt
Regarding ID 159291 above, I don't see any point in changing Sigtrygg's culture and dynasty when he gets married. He's a bastard and has already started his wife's line of sons, who are Welsh and of her dynasty. If he has any future children (which is unlikely anyway) they'll be of the dynasty of whomever he marries. You don't just stop being Norwegian and start being Welsh.
scottish.txt
This would seem consistent with House Crovan, as I think they were recently made Norwegian from being a funny mix of various cultures. Speaking of which, there is a single member of House Crovan who still isn't Norwegian. He's a Scot, and shouldn't be:
His parents and siblings are all Norwegian, as he probably ought to be.
Finally, it may be worth linking up Gudrød_Godfrey for Norwegian culture. I wasn't aware the two were cognates, but having done a bit of research into these families it seems that Gudrød, Godred, Gofraid and Godfrey are often interlinked and used as alternatives for one another, depending on which language is being used.
As they're only around at the start of the game and rule Norwegian culture provinces, I'd suggest making them Norwegian culture. As we don't have a proper way to represent the Norse-Gaels then I think this would be good; they certainly shouldn't be Scottish, and there are tons of Irish characters anyway. Arguably there are only two great Norse-Gael clans left by 1066 -- these and the Crovans -- so it seems an ideal solution. Also, these areas would likely have remained Norse had the Norse-Gaels not been assimilated or usurped and replaced with Anglo-Norman rulers. Gaelic and Old Norse names are used interchangeably for the most part, but it does seem a nice gameplay decision to go with Norwegian due to province culture (as I've mentioned) and the fact that the Irish and Scots will usually conquer the remaining Norse-Gael provinces quite quickly, after which they will tend to change culture. By having them as Norwegian, this will add a bit more flavor (which is not inaccurate) and also give the player something of a challenge as a nice alternative to the Crovans, who historically usurped the Uí Ímair and conquered Mann.
So, we'll start with the two characters in the Norwegian file and then work down.
norwegian.txt
Code:
5789 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Sigtrygg[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Sihtric Cáech[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=7
diplomacy=7
intrigue=7
stewardship=7
religion="catholic"
culture="norwegian"
880.1.2={
birth="880.1.2"
}
927.1.2={
death="927.1.2"
}
}
5790 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Olav Kvåran[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Amlaíb Cuarán[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=7
diplomacy=7
intrigue=7
stewardship=7
religion="catholic"
culture="norwegian"
father=5789
926.1.2={
birth="926.1.2"
}
981.1.2={
death="981.1.2"
}
}[irish.txt
Code:
131521 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Járnkné[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Glúniairn[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=4
diplomacy=4
intrigue=4
stewardship=8
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=5790
mother=131520
960.1.2={
birth="960.1.2"
}
989.1.2={
death="989.1.2"
}
}
131522 = {
name="Gilla Ciaráin"
# AKA: Gilla Ciarain
dynasty=20084
martial=5
diplomacy=4
intrigue=3
stewardship=4
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=131521
979.1.2={
birth="979.1.2"
}
1014.1.24={
death="1014.1.24"
}
}
131523 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Sigtrygg[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Sihtric[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=3
diplomacy=5
intrigue=3
stewardship=5
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=131521
980.1.2={
birth="980.1.2"
}
1014.1.24={
death="1014.1.24"
}
}
131526 = {
name="Mac Congáil"
dynasty=20084
martial=7
diplomacy=5
intrigue=6
stewardship=4
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=131525
1039.1.2={
birth="1039.1.2"
}
1098.1.1={
death="1098.1.1"
}
}
159291 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Sigtrygg[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Sihtric[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=6
diplomacy=6
intrigue=4
stewardship=4
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
add_trait="bastard"
father=1027
mother=1028
1015.1.1={
birth="1015.1.1"
}
1040.1.1={
[COLOR="#FF0000"]name="Swtrig" # ab Anlaff
culture="welsh"[/COLOR]
add_spouse=159290
}
1080.1.5={
death="1080.1.5"
}
}
1025 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Sigtrygg[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Sihtric[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=5
diplomacy=8
intrigue=7
stewardship=7
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="intricate_webweaver"
father=5790
970.1.1={
birth="970.1.1"
}
1000.1.2={
add_spouse=1026
}
1042.1.5={
death="1042.1.5"
}
}
1027 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Olav[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Amlaíb[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=6
diplomacy=6
intrigue=4
stewardship=4
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=1025
mother=1026
1000.1.1={
birth="1000.1.1"
}
1018.1.2={
add_spouse=1028
}
1034.1.5={
death="1034.1.5"
}
}
1029 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Ragnhild[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Rachel[/COLOR]
female = yes
dynasty=20084
martial=6
diplomacy=6
intrigue=4
stewardship=4
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="flamboyant_schemer"
father=1027
mother=1028
1018.1.1={
birth="1018.1.1"
}
1065.1.5={
death="1065.1.5"
}
}Regarding ID 159291 above, I don't see any point in changing Sigtrygg's culture and dynasty when he gets married. He's a bastard and has already started his wife's line of sons, who are Welsh and of her dynasty. If he has any future children (which is unlikely anyway) they'll be of the dynasty of whomever he marries. You don't just stop being Norwegian and start being Welsh.
scottish.txt
Code:
131524 = {
name="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Gudrød[/COLOR]"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Godfrey[/COLOR]
dynasty=20084
martial=4
diplomacy=4
intrigue=5
stewardship=8
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="patient"
add_trait="charitable"
add_trait="gluttonous"
father=131523
1004.1.2={
birth="1004.1.2"
}
1074.1.1={
death="1074.1.1"
}
}
131525 = {
name="Fingal"
dynasty=20084
martial=6
diplomacy=5
intrigue=8
stewardship=3
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="charitable"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=131524
1022.1.2={
birth="1022.1.2"
}
1072.1.1={
death="1072.1.1"
}
}This would seem consistent with House Crovan, as I think they were recently made Norwegian from being a funny mix of various cultures. Speaking of which, there is a single member of House Crovan who still isn't Norwegian. He's a Scot, and shouldn't be:
Code:
5794 = {
name="Donald"
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]# AKA: Donald Haraldsson[/COLOR]
dynasty=556
martial=7
diplomacy=8
intrigue=4
stewardship=8
religion="catholic"
culture="[COLOR="#FF8C00"]norwegian[/COLOR]"
add_trait="gluttonous"
add_trait="tough_soldier"
father=5793
1053.1.2={
birth="1053.1.2"
}
1103.1.2={
death="1103.1.2"
}
}His parents and siblings are all Norwegian, as he probably ought to be.
Finally, it may be worth linking up Gudrød_Godfrey for Norwegian culture. I wasn't aware the two were cognates, but having done a bit of research into these families it seems that Gudrød, Godred, Gofraid and Godfrey are often interlinked and used as alternatives for one another, depending on which language is being used.
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