Obviously. Just as it's gamey to invade Finland as Germany in '37 or so, just to blitz Russia from an additional front (and prevent the Winter War with it's Russian improvement in production).
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You don't upgrade Tanks. You upgrade Armored Divisions (ie: you take their old Tanks away and give them more modern ones).One House-Rule that I have adopted recently, is to upgrade the tanks only one time.
From a small , underpowered Pz.I, you simply can't do a nice Pz.V.
There were tanks modifications during the war, like additional armor plates, or a bigger gun, sometime even removing the turret and replace with an AA or AT gun, but the main tank body, the chassis , and the engine, suspensions, etc, remain mostly the same.
Improved tanks where usually slower.
Basically they were just expedients.
Still, a good tank crew can be assigned to another tank model, that is why I agree with only one upgrade.
Did the 1st Panzer Division fight the whole war equipped with Pz-Is and Pz-IIs?
What about having Portagal in Germany's alliance then basing men at East timor and capturing Indonesia? Would that be considered gamey?
No, IMHO. Since UK can easily sink the hell out of the TRPs off India and cause huge damage.
Well the last MP game I managed to do that 
. And the transports dont go anywhere near India, since they pretty much go where the dutch used to go in like 1700's.
. And the transports dont go anywhere near India, since they pretty much go where the dutch used to go in like 1700's.
Not unless u puppet ... I think. Besides dont the convoys go around africa anyway the same route as transports since they have gibralter?
... I think. Besides dont the convoys go around africa anyway the same route as transports since they have gibralter?
Not unless u puppet
and Suez (unless you are at peace obviously)
I meant peace with whomever owns Gibraltar and/or Suez.
I'm guessing the Dutch are allied with the UK though?
I'm guessing the Dutch are allied with the UK though?
Yes as everything went historical cept when SU (which was a human player) decided it would be fun to DoW on me and puppet poland :/
Agree with you, but the new tanks should cost more than 1/4 of the old ones.
You could always mod the tanks to take more IC/time to upgrade. Wouldn't go over half the IC-day cost of fresh though, as much of the initial cost is training the men.
I suspect changing the values of upgrade_time_factor and upgrade_cost_factor in the divisions text files would have this effect, but as I haven't played with those files myself, I don't know.
I can not agree with you.
The german tanks crews were indeed trained, but both Soviet and USA used crew with just basic training, or none at all, and they got trained during the war, by simply surviving the battle.
I think that a large part of the upgrade cost reduction is due to the fact that historically, most of the old equipment would still be used somehow. This is hard to show in game mechanics, except by using some of the IC value of scrapped units for new ones (which is a can of exploits on its own).
Ahem, you mean you HoI2 Wiki!
As another poster said, note those rules are for the AI, not for multiplayer.
you really underestimate the cost in standing up a new division as opposed to rebuilding an existing one. all you're really giving that new arm-5 division are new shinier tanks. they're keeping their motorized infantry equipment and trucks, maybe getting a shinier artillery gun, all their support elements such as recon, engineering, and medical are still in place...etc etc. considering that in ww2 the division was considered the smallest self-sustaining unit, i.e. requiring NO outside support other then supplies to function effectively, it says a lot about the support behind a division's three regiments. not to mention the actual recruiting and basic training of said soldiers in the first place...
in a new division, all of that has to be from scratch. upgrading a division really just consists of handing the soldiers some shiny new toys with manuals and telling them to have fun. really, think of it this way. what costs more in terms of time and money, building a new house or total renovating an existing one?
in a new division, all of that has to be from scratch. upgrading a division really just consists of handing the soldiers some shiny new toys with manuals and telling them to have fun. really, think of it this way. what costs more in terms of time and money, building a new house or total renovating an existing one?