House of Ottoman questions

[fallschrimjager]

When does the Ottoman dynasty first appear in game and where?

 

[Mattobro]

The beginning of the 1300's, I believe they're strongest in the 1310's, they're there if you pick the last bookmark though, but you have a few decades less time to play as them from the 1337 start. They start out on Anatolia as a One province minor, so if you go to the prior mentioned start dates they're much bigger and stronger like real life.

 

[dorukdorucu]

1256, Sultanate of Rum, Bey of Ancyra. Ertugrul Ghazi is the father of Osman Ghazi, the actual founder of House Ottoman. If he isn't there in 1256, try 1257 and 1265. He should be though.
Osman Ghazi becomes independent in 1299, however in 1337 they are in their strongest position.

 

[Ols]

I was under the impression that the creation condition for the Sultunate of the Ottomans was NEVER, so I think you need to pick a bookmark with their Sultunate there in order to play them properly.

 

[unmerged(505019)]

This is from the 1081 Alexiad start. His father became Greek and Orthodox but so far he's stayed true to his origins. This has to be some sort of sign...

 

[jordarkelf]

I was under the impression that the creation condition for the Sultunate of the Ottomans was NEVER, so I think you need to pick a bookmark with their Sultunate there in order to play them properly.

With dynastic titles, if a muslim house Ottoman manages to take any title, it'll be called 'Ottoman Beyberlik' or whatever their rank is.

 

[Chaotix]

With dynastic titles, if a muslim house Ottoman manages to take any title, it'll be called 'Ottoman Beyberlik' or whatever their rank is.

This is true, so you could create an Ottoman Sultanate of Anatolia starting as just a Beylik.

However, you won't get the special color that the Ottoman Sultanate has in the historical start.

 

[imperium3]

You can always give the title to yourself via the console once you feel you're a significant enough power though. I don't normally advocate the console, but for something like this that has little real gameplay effect, it seems silly not to.

 

[Ols]

This is true, so you could create an Ottoman Sultanate of Anatolia starting as just a Beylik.

However, you won't get the special color that the Ottoman Sultanate has in the historical start.

I'd personally give it to myself via console if I had even one Beylerbeylik. Using Anatolia would be a bit difficult since the Ottomans start in de jure Greece, in the Duchy of Nicaea. Not being competing with other petty Sultans and having Rum completely eliminated would also kill a bit of the fun of the normal Ottoman start.

I know how Islamic titles work, anyway. However, I don't particularly like Muslims co-opting old Christian titles for roleplay reasons, it doesn't seem particularly right that a Muslim could proclaim himself King of Greece or Anatolia and effectively be a new step in a chronology of Kings, he'd simply be a pretender or make a new title. Kind of like how the Sultunate of Rum pretends to be Rome but has such a ridiculous claim on it that it's shown in game as a titular title.

 

[victimizer]

I know how Islamic titles work, anyway. However, I don't particularly like Muslims co-opting old Christian titles for roleplay reasons, it doesn't seem particularly right that a Muslim could proclaim himself King of Greece or Anatolia and effectively be a new step in a chronology of Kings, he'd simply be a pretender or make a new title. Kind of like how the Sultunate of Rum pretends to be Rome but has such a ridiculous claim on it that it's shown in game as a titular title.

yeah. i my opinion the islamic middle eastern cultured characters should recognize different "de jure" territories entirely (like for example, the entire iberian peninsula would belong to "andalusia", the kingdom of jerusalem would be a part of egypt de jure regions, etc. And when they create titles in, say, france and anatolia, they would have more fitting green colors as well.

 

[dorukdorucu]

This is from the 1081 Alexiad start. His father became Greek and Orthodox but so far he's stayed true to his origins. This has to be some sort of sign...

Random dynasty generator? I'm pretty sure that the Ottoman's, or rather "Kayı" as they were called back then still lived in middle asia/maybe persia at most. The first person to actually lead the Ottomans into Anatolia was Osman Ghazi's grandfather (Who died while crossing a river in syria)

 

[NI_Mcknight]

I found an Ottoman in Cuman at the 1066 start... I think it was a random name though

 

[Ols]

Maybe find the Ottomans at their peak and read back their dynasty history to find out where they really were.

I'd be all for giving Muslims completely separate de jure maps for Emirates, Sultanates and Empires, but of course it would be a lot of work.