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Why would you go for achievements during the hotfix era directly after release? (seriously wondering)

Oh, I don't know, because there has never been a problem breaking Ironman like this before. Art of War, Comet Sense, Res Publica all worked completly fine. I just lost 12 hours of Novgorod Archivment progress and as you can see others lost time and progress too, so it is no surprise that we are abit annoyed. Do not try to put the blame for this on us.
 
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Why would you go for achievements during the hotfix era directly after release? (seriously wondering)

I never had a problem with hotfixes disabling achievement so I trusted that this wouldn't aswell, afterall the only thing that was supposed to be reworked in this expansion was the autosaves everyone 4 instead of 1 month.
 
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before i quit my game to update.... if my 1.14.1 save wasn't effected by any of those bugs, will this hotfix break my current game?

(have to be sure since the last one did...)
 

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@Wiz

I see the supperregion trigger but what happened to the province_group trigger? That is the one the mods need and Captain Gars said he made both at the same time in the mod forum. Did it just get left off the change list or did it get missed?

thank you :)
 

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Why would you use anything the way it is supposed to when you buy it when it first comes out ? Because you expect it to not live up to expectations every time ?

Do you even software?

Like, not just games, any form of software. OS, music players, art programs, spreadsheets, etc. Even when you use them entirely as intended, you will still almost certainly experience one major bug in the week of release, no matter how big the company releasing it is. If you don't, that's a statistical outlier. Thousands of hours in QA can never match one hour of use by 5000+ people, separately, for finding bugs, no matter how thorough you are.
 
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Do you even software?

Like, not just games, any form of software. OS, music players, art programs, spreadsheets, etc. Even when you use them entirely as intended, you will still almost certainly experience one major bug in the week of release, no matter how big the company releasing it is. If you don't, that's a statistical outlier. Thousands of hours in QA can never match one hour of use by 5000+ people, separately, for finding bugs, no matter how thorough you are.

yeah except this time it was literally CTDing every 5mins, deleting save files, causing endless regencies, et cetera. i get what you are saying, and yes some caution should be taken on a new dlc, but this was above and beyond what we could have expected (or should have to), but most of the worst stuff has now been fixed (until the next bug)
 

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yeah except this time it was literally CTDing every 5mins, deleting save files, causing endless regencies, et cetera. i get what you are saying, and yes some caution should be taken on a new dlc, but this was above and beyond what we could have expected (or should have to), but most of the worst stuff has now been fixed (until the next bug)

The CTD issue didn't happen until the hotfix came out to fix an entirely different issue, which, by virtue of it being a hotfix, ie a mostly untested critical patch that users absolutely need for the product to function, introduced more problems.
 

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Thousands of hours in QA can never match one hour of use by 5000+ people, separately, for finding bugs, no matter how thorough you are.

Not to feed them... but it does beg the question why there isn't any public beta testing. If the next two weeks were a opt-in public beta test then a lot of this stuff could have of potentially been noticed before the official release.
 

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The CTD issue didn't happen until the hotfix came out to fix an entirely different issue, which, by virtue of it being a hotfix, ie a mostly untested critical patch that users absolutely need for the product to function, introduced more problems.

oh yes it did, the CTD that deleted local ironman saves was most certainly present in 1.14, just go look at the bug reports, they were created before the hotfix was even made
 

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Not to feed them... but it does beg the question why there isn't any public beta testing. If the next two weeks were a opt-in public beta test then a lot of this stuff could have of potentially been noticed before the official release.

Wiz said before that open beta gets you virtually nothing, presumably in terms of useful bug reports, feedback, or even a substantially larger user base, and Paradox already does closed betas.

Incidentally, as someone who's been part of an open beta for something entirely different before, I have to agree -- basically all they are useful for is stress testing, or seeing if something really obvious is broken. Anything deeper than that is asking too much of uncaring laymen who think that beta == 'play new version/new game faster', as opposed to 'help fix problems with new version/game'.
 
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Wiz said before that open beta gets you virtually nothing, presumably in terms of useful bug reports, feedback, or even a substantially larger user base, and Paradox already does closed betas.

I'm no tester so I just have my investigative hat on, but is it just the fact that the game is "live" that makes people more... vocal about issues?