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Before the hotfix,the game worked for me but now i can't get it right even with 3 times of reinstall(all cache is also deleted)
pdx,pls help.i want to try the dlc
pdx,pls help.i want to try the dlc
Zones of control are still an awful mess. The mechanic should never have made it out of alpha in its current state.
(1) First, it turns forts into special snowflake buildings that, unlike every other building in the game, fundamentally change neighboring provinces. This is bad design because it creates a special case that violates player expectations and needlessly increases complexity.
(2) Second, figuring out what forts a player must siege involves too many special cases. In theory, forts control neighboring provinces. Unless they're allied/vassal forts or provinces, in which case the zone of control does not span borders. Unless the player demands a province, in which case the game looks to the nearest fort of the province's owner. Unless the fort is mothballed. Unless there's an occupied province between the fort and the target province. In short, there are too many bloody special cases involving zones of control.
(3) Third, army movement routinely breaks in any situation involving multiple countries or wars. Armies routinely forget where they came from and are unable to exit enemy provinces. Armies can take paths deep into enemy territory, then decide that they can't take that same path back even if nothing else has changed/ Armies cannot embark on transports from which they came after landing in enemy provinces. Some armies cannot follow paths that other armies follow, probably due to conflicting permissions/prohibitions on movement, such as wars within/against HRE and non-HRE members.
(4) Fourth, information on zones of control and forts is buried in a special map layer. Forts are difficult to see on the map without using a special map mode, which means the player must constantly flip between maps to find essential information such as zones of control, terrain, and country borders. This is bad design
In short, zones of control violate fundamental design principles, violate player expectations, and behave in a way that possibly makes sense to the developer but appears to be utterly psychotic to an outside observer.
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Examples of counterintuitive fort behavior in my current England game.:
England (player) is at war with France.There are forts at Paris and Poitou.
My army in Vermandois can cross through Paris (fort) to go to Orlannais, even though forts are supposed to act as roadblocks. I can only guess that this is because I control provinces on either side of Paris and perhaps should always be able to enter provinces I control.
This army in Anjou cannot cross through Orleannais to go to Nemour. Nor will it be able to cross from Nemour to Orleannais when it eventually arrives. Presumably this is because of the Paris fort's Zone of Control acting as a magical roadblock to divide the two provinces even though it is under siege and I have control of or access to provinces on either side.
But note that once I siege down Nemour, I will be able to move through that chain of provinces at will.
This army cannot go from Berry to Lismousin next door, even though I control Berry. But it can freely wander across Bourbon and into Lismousin even though I do not control either of those provinces. Because apparently it's more difficult to go across the French countryside where I don't have troops than where I do just because there are fortifications a few hundred miles away.
I should probably note at this time that the AI has no idea how to plan around zones of control. In the above game, Austria got eaten alive by France because its armies wound up on opposite sides of a fort's zone of control and could not reinforce one another. In one of the links, the Austria AI decides to engage a numerically superior French stack, presumably because I have two large stacks next door. But I cannot move to reinforce Austria due to zone of control.
(1) First, it turns forts into special snowflake buildings that, unlike every other building in the game, fundamentally change neighboring provinces. This is bad design because it creates a special case that violates player expectations and needlessly increases complexity.
(2) Second, figuring out what forts a player must siege involves too many special cases. In theory, forts control neighboring provinces. Unless they're allied/vassal forts or provinces, in which case the zone of control does not span borders. Unless the player demands a province, in which case the game looks to the nearest fort of the province's owner. Unless the fort is mothballed. Unless there's an occupied province between the fort and the target province. In short, there are too many bloody special cases involving zones of control.
(3) Third, army movement routinely breaks in any situation involving multiple countries or wars. Armies routinely forget where they came from and are unable to exit enemy provinces. Armies can take paths deep into enemy territory, then decide that they can't take that same path back even if nothing else has changed/ Armies cannot embark on transports from which they came after landing in enemy provinces. Some armies cannot follow paths that other armies follow, probably due to conflicting permissions/prohibitions on movement, such as wars within/against HRE and non-HRE members.
(4) Fourth, information on zones of control and forts is buried in a special map layer. Forts are difficult to see on the map without using a special map mode, which means the player must constantly flip between maps to find essential information such as zones of control, terrain, and country borders. This is bad design
In short, zones of control violate fundamental design principles, violate player expectations, and behave in a way that possibly makes sense to the developer but appears to be utterly psychotic to an outside observer.
Edit:
Examples of counterintuitive fort behavior in my current England game.:
England (player) is at war with France.There are forts at Paris and Poitou.
My army in Vermandois can cross through Paris (fort) to go to Orlannais, even though forts are supposed to act as roadblocks. I can only guess that this is because I control provinces on either side of Paris and perhaps should always be able to enter provinces I control.
This army in Anjou cannot cross through Orleannais to go to Nemour. Nor will it be able to cross from Nemour to Orleannais when it eventually arrives. Presumably this is because of the Paris fort's Zone of Control acting as a magical roadblock to divide the two provinces even though it is under siege and I have control of or access to provinces on either side.
But note that once I siege down Nemour, I will be able to move through that chain of provinces at will.
This army cannot go from Berry to Lismousin next door, even though I control Berry. But it can freely wander across Bourbon and into Lismousin even though I do not control either of those provinces. Because apparently it's more difficult to go across the French countryside where I don't have troops than where I do just because there are fortifications a few hundred miles away.
I should probably note at this time that the AI has no idea how to plan around zones of control. In the above game, Austria got eaten alive by France because its armies wound up on opposite sides of a fort's zone of control and could not reinforce one another. In one of the links, the Austria AI decides to engage a numerically superior French stack, presumably because I have two large stacks next door. But I cannot move to reinforce Austria due to zone of control.
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Is anyone seeing mothballed forts not being set as such properly when loading saves? Garrison is correctly at 0 but every time I load my Ming game I have to mothball forts again, not really much but might trouble AI more and it is a bug to report.
Also again trade fleets giving messages about arrival.
Also again trade fleets giving messages about arrival.
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I can't play with my mod in this version , even if I have put "supported_version = 1.12 "
Just a question, What happened to the lines that use to break up this blob of Words ?. Each yeah use to have a line to separate the years. Now the history looks like this
A big mess of words that is hard to read.
A big mess of words that is hard to read.
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Is the AI Emperor supposed to be able to demand unlawful territory while they are at war?
With new patch: when you support rebels in country you are at war with, and then you peace out, that's what happens: supporting rebels stops, but the button is GREYed out. So you can't send diplomat again.
Is it a bug or feature?
Is it a bug or feature?
Macro builder in ledger gone!?
Hello!
I am just wondering if you could bring back the macro builder in the ledger since it was much easier to sort your provinces by Production, Tax and Manpower and build
from there rather than looking at the map, especially if you got a big country.
Also, when you are making a peace deal your claims no longer show up to the right of the enemies provinces in the peace deal window.
other than that. Best patch yet! =)
Hello!
I am just wondering if you could bring back the macro builder in the ledger since it was much easier to sort your provinces by Production, Tax and Manpower and build
from there rather than looking at the map, especially if you got a big country.
Also, when you are making a peace deal your claims no longer show up to the right of the enemies provinces in the peace deal window.
other than that. Best patch yet! =)
If we're asking for changes, could we get rid of the confirmation window when you core from that province build menu thing. I like to core my conquests through the manage area of the rebel/stability window because it's just 1 click per, and I don't have to move my mouse to the center of the screen to say "yes" for each time then move the mouse back. Likewise, I like to click the autonomy section in the province build menu thing because it mapmodes to autonomy and shows revolt risk. A few rapid clicks and that's done. If I could core provinces as easily from the same menu, that'd be sweet. Or we could do the reverse. How about each time I want to adjust autonomy in a province, I have to confirm with a yes/no window in the center of the screen. That's fun. Clicking things is gameplay.
The point is that unlike lowering autonomy (which currently has no pop-up), coring is easily cancellable for a full refund.
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