Horn of african infantry and cavalry units

[maman halyey]

Hey guys i haven't played EU4, but i wanted to know if the game had the kick ass cavalry somalis had. Right now all i see is infantry and i don't even see the famous somali swordsmen or even the lancers..

here is a small wikipedia article about adal infantry and cavalry.

The Adal soldiers donned elaborate helmets and steel armour made up of chain-mail with overlapping tiers.[39]. In siege warfare, ladders were employed to scale buildings and other high positions such as hills and mountains.

all i see is this....

where it should most likely look like this...

+

+ the somali shield
the metal version, this is the leather version

+
the somali sword

and the somali dagger

somalis took some influence from the mamluks and much influence from ottomans so their infantry should reflect that....

The Horsemen of Adal wore protective helmets that covered the entire face except for the eyes, and breastplates on their body, while they harnessed their horses in a similar fashion.

also the cavalry should look mostly like this...

+ somali spear

you can even add the kick ass sword

this would make a great addition don't ya think?


also the matchlock men who used to be referred to as "miinanle" or "shiishle"(southern dialect) which meant (sharp shooters) as i was told, somalis were known for their expertise in aiming.

so EU4 did a great job at trying to make a medieval somali matchlock man

P.S, maybe they should remove the "koofiyad"(hat in somali) or the muslim hat in the first image below and replace it with the red somali turban but the adal army was diverse so the hat makes sense....

also as you can see in the second photo below, the head gear is wearing is supposed to be made of feathers... in old somali times somalis who killed a man in battle would receive, a feather
( mostly ostrich) the more feathers you earned the more feared you were and if you received a handful of feathers you were called "nin xun" or "nin halis ah" meaning dangerous/deadly man.

The dervishes were called "rag-xun" the infantry core that killed british soldiers, would receive many feathers and thus the word. which means many dangerous/deadly men.

Now the practice is mostly dead and is mostly just a cultural headgear worn by the gabooye(somali clan)


if that's not the case then i don't know wtf this is....

all in all i fucking love this game and i would love a more detailed somali infantry and cavalry on both adal and ajuuran sides

a more detailed somali navy on the ajuuran side

and a more detailed ethiopian army

but i thank EU4 for such a great game and i hope to master it

and as a somali merchant once said...

"dhari kumabuuxsamo dhibic"

a container can never be full with a drop

 

[SolSys]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...uiv-mare-nostrum-content-pack-renders.914311/

Edit: I don't know what the disagree is for -- it's not like I am in charge of unit models.

Hey guys i haven't played EU4, but i wanted to know if the game had the kick ass cavalry somalis had.

You asked something and since it was rather late my response was short but rather succinct.
The link also shows there are 3 other unit models in addition to the one you posted [t2-t4].

If you are instead making a suggestion, then state it as such and moved it to the right sub-forum [requires syncing, link at bottom post].

 

[ahyangyi]

The Mare Nostrum content pack generated so much critical feedback that they redid the T3 Italian units and the skin tones of some African units. I guess if your post was during that time they would have redone (or would have adjusted) the Somalis too.

 

[Draky]

I don't think an average somalian today can afford one of those costumes.

 

[maman halyey]

I don't think an average somalian today can afford one of those costumes.

yep they can't nor can an average ethiopian, or anyone for that matter since these costumes are mostly expensive.

 

[maman halyey]

The Mare Nostrum content pack generated so much critical feedback that they redid the T3 Italian units and the skin tones of some African units. I guess if your post was during that time they would have redone (or would have adjusted) the Somalis too.

i guess i'm late but wouldn't this addition be awesome

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...uiv-mare-nostrum-content-pack-renders.914311/

Edit: I don't know what the disagree is for -- it's not like I am in charge of unit models.


You asked something and since it was rather late my response was short but rather succinct.
The link also shows there are 3 other unit models in addition to the one you posted [t2-t4].

If you are instead was making a suggestion, then state it as such and moved it to the right sub-forum [requires syncing, link at bottom post].

which is the forum bro so i can delete this and move it there..

 

[SolSys]

i guess i'm late but wouldn't this addition be awesome

Those unit models are for Somali culture in general.
They may still make units for individual countries at some point in the future.

which is the forum bro so i can delete this and move it there..

You need to register your game to access the sub-forums -- use the 1st link below.
No need to delete, just ask a moderator if they can move it afterwards.

 

[maman halyey]

ok thx

 

[FrancisVachon]

Hey guys i haven't played EU4,
(...)
all in all i fucking love this game and i would love a more detailed somali infantry and cavalry on both adal and ajuuran sides

(...)

but i thank EU4 for such a great game and i hope to master it

SO...You haven't played it, but you fucking love it?

 

[LinusLinothorax]

I just hate how Paradox gave end-tier non-European sprites Europeanizing, Napoleon-esque costumes. Just look at this:

Meanwhile, in reality:

(Early 20th century, Sudan)

(late 18th century, Ethiopia)

Just give non-Europeans custom tech-trees already, respecting and representing their actual historical development during that time-period instead of making them whacky European clones.

 

[maman halyey]

SO...You haven't played it, but you fucking love it?

yes i played it before and i'm trying to get back!!

 

[Lacost]

I just hate how Paradox gave end-tier non-European sprites Europeanizing, Napoleon-esque costumes.

Late game unit models for Africa are most likely predictions on how the military of a fully westernized nation would look like. Since the European influence was undenieable in Africa it would make very much sense to simply copy military tactics and behaviour for those nations. Hence, why they look more like western units rather than spear carrying natives.

Of course, in reality that didn't happen in an extent as it can happen in EU4. A lot of african tribes and kingdoms still relied heavily on spears and close combat like the Zulu empire, even though modern European armies would mainly use firearms.

So in an effort to stay up to date and rival European powers they would have had to adapt to the way how Europeans fight their wars --> copy the way how they fight and probably also look.

 

[maman halyey]

I just hate how Paradox gave end-tier non-European sprites Europeanizing, Napoleon-esque costumes. Just look at this:

Meanwhile, in reality:

(Early 20th century, Sudan)

(late 18th century, Ethiopia)

Just give non-Europeans custom tech-trees already, respecting and representing their actual historical development during that time-period instead of making them whacky European clones.

yes bro, the ethiopians had heavy armour on their cavalry and infantry like all other horn of african civilisations or sultanates. we all traded.

also bro you have to remember european things, appeal to european people they don't care about your civilisation they thought hmmm; Ethiopians allied with the portugese while sudanese allied with ottomans let's make the ethiopians dress like europeans while the muslims specifically sudanese would dress like arabs or black ottomans lol

the horn of africans who've been trading with perisans,arabs,indians,mamluks and turks,europeans and east asians have spearmen as main infantry ??

 

[maman halyey]

look at how effin awesome the sudanese looked !!

if you're trying to create a common theme for east african epecifically H.O.A units atleast make them look like these

 

[maman halyey]

Late game unit models for Africa are most likely predictions on how the military of a fully westernized nation would look like. Since the European influence was undenieable in Africa it would make very much sense to simply copy military tactics and behaviour for those nations. Hence, why they look more like western units rather than spear carrying natives.

Of course, in reality that didn't happen in an extent as it can happen in EU4. A lot of african tribes and kingdoms still relied heavily on spears and close combat like the Zulu empire, even though modern European armies would mainly use firearms.

So in an effort to stay up to date and rival European powers they would have had to adapt to the way how Europeans fight their wars --> copy the way how they fight and probably also look.

but there was no european influence in the horn of africa during the middle ages maybe alittle in ethiopia but still

 

[otaats]

Well i am not a Somali nor i am Ethiopian

But i just want to say that i love how Ethiopia and the Nubians look in the game. Especially tiers 1-3.

 

[LinusLinothorax]

yes bro, the ethiopians had heavy armour on their cavalry and infantry like all other horn of african civilisations or sultanates. we all traded.

Actually, the Ethiopians, ie. the Christian highlanders like the Amhara and Tigrinya, didn't. There were some experiments, like during the 1700's, when they imported armour from Sennar, but apart of that armour was, as far as I know, restricted to Somalis and eventually Muslim Oromos. The latter would have looked like this:

they thought hmmm; Ethiopians allied with the portugese while sudanese allied with ottomans let's make the ethiopians dress like europeans while the muslims specifically sudanese would dress like arabs or black ottomans lol

I especially like drastic military revolution portrayed by the tier 4 Nubian compared to the tier 3 one: Longer sleeves, longer trousers and, most importantly, a longer Janissary hat lol

 

[SolSys]

I just hate how Paradox gave end-tier non-European sprites Europeanizing, Napoleon-esque costumes.

but there was no european influence in the horn of africa during the middle ages maybe alittle in ethiopia but still

The unit model tiers are replaced when you reach certain tech levels -- which they may not have reached in reality.
If you want them to stay with spears then don't tech up.

 

[LinusLinothorax]

The unit model tiers are replaced when you reach certain tech levels -- which they may not have reached in reality.
If you want them to stay with spears then don't tech up.

So that I get destroyed as soon as I get attacked by some minor that teched up. Brilliant plan.

 

[maman halyey]

Actually, the Ethiopians, ie. the Christian highlanders like the Amhara and Tigrinya, didn't. There were some experiments, like during the 1700's, when they imported armour from Sennar, but apart of that armour was, as far as I know, restricted to Somalis and eventually Muslim Oromos. The latter would have looked like this:

I especially like drastic military revolution portrayed by the tier 4 Nubian compared to the tier 3 one: Longer sleeves, longer trousers and, most importantly, a longer Janissary hat lol

oromos were pretty behind other H.O.A's during this time (no offense) so they couldn't purchase armor they only became important when the adal and ethiopian empires were weakened

the highlanders were mostly isolated from the lowlanders before they started thinking of conquest, so this makes sense...

also is that a feather on their head. I've noticed it's pretty common in the horn. Take for example this pic

also bro

WE REALLY NEED A FULL FLEDGED MOVIE ON THE ADAL-ABYSSINIAN WARS

OR THE IFAT-SOLOMONIC WARS

OR THE AXUM-HIMYARITE WARS


or any wars that happened in the horn of africa. Specifically medieval because, most of what we are talking about isn't know by many horners.

do you agree?