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The Golden Horde had cities
Indeed it had, and lots of them, but by the time the game starts most of them were vanished thanks for years of internal power during the time of Great trobles (Великая замятня in Russian) and especially thanks to Timur, who just burnt everything down. So many cities didn't even saw Russian conquest and even those that saw were mainly resettled nearby. For example the original Astrakhan were on the another bank of the Volga river.
 

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Was surprised that AI Muscowy DOWed Kazan and annexed them in one war. Lots of things changed in the expansion.
 

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Y DNA haplogroups are not uniformly distributed over whole Russia and some markers are far more popular in South Russia than in e.g. Belarus. Both of this indicate, that native (or at least very different from Belorussian) population indeed contribute somehow to Russian gene pool.
Low UV levels could result in whiter skin ;).
It doesn't change fact, that somehow Russian form culturally quite homogeneous empire. It can be model by culture conversion (in sparsely populated areas it was far easier) and base tax relocation mostly (migration). Well some shortage of DIP points might be problem and probably you will left some high base tax provinces alone. I don't think it is good solution, but there are far worse in EU4. At least Hordes are easy to conquer after you trash your neighbours.
 

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In EU3, you could send colonists to horde provinces but for some reason it's not there in EU4.
And we all know what abominations that created, Austria colonizing all the way through to central asia...
Plus 1399 Muscovy was never strong enough in EU3 to colonize northern and central asia.
 

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Russia conquered the steppes the same way the USA did with the native Americans. However, calling all the steppe nations "hordes" is nonsense, though some did behave that way. Some, like the Timurids, had big cities and large sedentary populations. Others, like Kazakh, were still around in 1821. Their armies by this time used guns. Steppe nations should be able to use guns and upgrade their units, and have cheaper cavalry, but their sparse populations and decentralisation should put them at a disadvantage in the end.
 

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Russia conquered the steppes the same way the USA did with the native Americans. However, calling all the steppe nations "hordes" is nonsense, though some did behave that way. Some, like the Timurids, had big cities and large sedentary populations. Others, like Kazakh, were still around in 1821. Their armies by this time used guns. Steppe nations should be able to use guns and upgrade their units, and have cheaper cavalry, but their sparse populations and decentralisation should put them at a disadvantage in the end.
Kazakhs are here even now. The best example of modernizing Steppe nation would be Oirat, who even had artillery of their own making, foundries were built by Swedish prisoner of Northern war living in Siberia, who got captured yet again by Oirats. Oirats also exported paper to China, let it sink in you.
 

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And we all know what abominations that created, Austria colonizing all the way through to central asia...
If Moscovy can into Asia then most probably Lithuania and Commonwealth could have. And if Lithuania could have, why not Austria? :) If they could take care of the Ottoman threat that is. At least it looks more probable than Spanish Siberia.

Plus 1399 Muscovy was never strong enough in EU3 to colonize northern and central asia.
In real history they never actually did in game's timeframe.
 
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In real history they never actually did in game's timeframe.

Depends on which area you mean. Northern Asia could also mean Siberia, which the Russians did sort of have nominal control over within the game's timeline.

Central and Northern Asia colonization only began during the 19th century.
 

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Depends on which area you mean. Northern Asia could also mean Siberia, which the Russians did sort of have nominal control over within the game's timeline.

Central and Northern Asia colonization only began during the 19th century.
I was thinking more of modern north Kazakhstan actually. Just one fact - even in Middle Volga region nomad Kalmyk Khanate existed up until 1771. No trace of it in the game though. :(
 

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I was thinking more of modern north Kazakhstan actually. Just one fact - even in Middle Volga region nomad Kalmyk Khanate existed up until 1771. No trace of it in the game though. :(

I checked the bookmarks and almost didn't see Zungharia because of how similar the colors are.
 

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I was thinking more of modern north Kazakhstan actually. Just one fact - even in Middle Volga region nomad Kalmyk Khanate existed up until 1771. No trace of it in the game though. :(
Well, Kalmyks were special, they had symbiotic relationship with empire, acting as a shield against Nogai in return for right of passage through Russian lands. Though it's a shame that they aren't in-game.