Lets say for some odd reason that in game the Mongols and Aztecs border each other, would I assume that it be doomstacks vs doomstacks of mongols and aztecs fighting one another?
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Mongols would win against unarmored and stone age aztecs. As would everyone else. European peasants would win against them as well. Any peasant would. I'd say the best chance Aztecs have is against unarmed children.
Yeah and because it's so easy the nords managed to conquer the Americas ... ooooh wait ... the indians didn't let them do it.
The Indians that fought the Norse settlers in Vinland weren't Aztecs. Also, there were something like 100 Norse with little support vs a much larger indigenous population. The Aztecs would fare much worse against any attempt to invade Europe. They can't even get numerical superiority, so they're screwed due to their inferiority in equipment and technology. Also, they have no horses.
Let's even say that they'd somehow managed to get to Europe and resist all those sicknesses.
1. How did they managed to transport 100k people? Europeans never sent such big forces (at least not at once)?
2. They're much worse armored and armed.
3. Climate- Europe was much colder than Mesoamerica. Their numbers would diminish during winter to 0.
1. How did they managed to transport 100k people? Europeans never sent such big forces (at least not at once)?
2. They're much worse armored and armed.
3. Climate- Europe was much colder than Mesoamerica. Their numbers would diminish during winter to 0.
I don't think either of the Aztec nor the Mongol Hordes would have a large enough hellstack to make it a worth-while fight. Plus, where would the player be in all this? Hiding in Iceland? 
I don't think either of the Aztec nor the Mongol Hordes would have a large enough hellstack to make it a worth-while fight. Plus, where would the player be in all this? Hiding in Iceland?
You can't hide from Aztecs... Unless You go to Antarctica.
Its simple. This DLC is in a alternate history where the Aztecs developed much faster than the Europeans. Their tech allows them to transport armies from the Americas to Europe in force. Why their models look like the typical Aztec warrior, that may simply be a cultural thing, where they put feathers over their armour. Like how Europeans like armor detailed with gold and making huge crosses during Crusades.
Back in topic, i think it will be just like Golden Horde vs Ilkhanate combat. Doomstack + levies vs doomstack + levies.
And also, will there be any events about Aztec interaction with horses? Or have they already conquered the Americas?
Back in topic, i think it will be just like Golden Horde vs Ilkhanate combat. Doomstack + levies vs doomstack + levies.
And also, will there be any events about Aztec interaction with horses? Or have they already conquered the Americas?
Aztec religion itself wouldn't let them for such conquests. They hadn't horses, or immunity for most of disease. Also, they lacked resources to create good weapons and armors.
I believe that Johan said that they won't start with horses which makes sense in a way.
Its simple. Their religion was overthrown by a more progressive one. Like how Rome converted from Greek polytheism to Christianism (a religion outlawed by Rome!).
They had resources. Cortes built cannons during the Siege of Tenochtitlan. He also made gunpowder from the surrondings of Lake Texcoco (i think from a nearby mountain, i dont remember exactly). And there was enough metal in Central America, but the Aztecs never got to learn to extract it.
Yes, but will there be any events about the Aztecs discovering Horses? Western Europeans used plenty of cavalry in their armies, cavalry that could do horrendous losses to the pure infantry Aztec armies.
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Yeah, but Paradox - being Paradox - nixed the "remove the arms from children" event.
If the Scandinavians (this isn't the Elder Scrolls) had the manpower with them (remember they were trying to establish a foothold on an entirely new continent, across a vast ocean, with a pitifully small number of men) then they would have likely established a firm foothold in North America.
This would work, except we've already seen in the screenshots that the Aztec religion is very much alive, as evidence by the King of England having his beating heart ripped out as a sacrifice to the gods in the last screenshot on the sticky! :sad:
They could discover horses just fine, but they would still lack the knowledge and skill other civilisations had of riding horses in open combat.
At the end of the day guys, it's a fantasy DLC of the Aztecs invading Europe...it's not striving for realism.
Hernan Cortes managed to conquer the whole Aztec Empire with roughly the same number of men. Its all about tech and diplomacy.
The Norse did not really try to settle America, only establish a small colony. They had brief hostilities and only sent a few expeditions, the largest was for a settlement and contained maybe 160 men and women.
The Spanish however were far more organized and had much better logistics. Where the Norse could transport 160 people, the Spanish transported many more (Cortez had around 500 soldiers). And were reinforced from Spain when more expeditions arrived. While illness might have caused the death of many Aztecs, the Spanish were still so much more advanced, well-trained and well-equipped that the Aztec stood no chance.
Primarily it's all about diplomacy and making people think you have magic. Not exactly the same thing and the emphasis is on diplomacy. Cortes had 10 times the number the Scandinavians had (though that's still not a lot) and used them to terrify small groups into submission so he could band them together and use them as a much larger army against those he couldn't get to fall over on their own.
Cortes didn't make the Aztecs think he had "magic". They may not have known exactly how guns worked but they figured out quite handily that it was just another type of weapon, albeit more advanced. The reason the guns were so crucial is that Aztec combat basically involved two shield walls clashing. Having a small group with guns that could rake the length of a shield wall would almost always lead to a collapse. This did mean that Cortes and his men were dependent on local allies to form the opposing shield wall, but happily for them they arrived at a time when the Aztecs were experiencing internal dissent and there was no shortage of rebels willing to assist them.