Horde units

[Tallyhoo]

Hello,

I started my Qara Quoynlu game and i would like to form Persia. First obstacle is to reform government but its ok i can do that i guess. But second and really important obstacle is that cant horde use foreign units anymore? So staying horde is not viable option now?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Hello,

I started my Qara Quoynlu game and i would like to form Persia. First obstacle is to reform government but its ok i can do that i guess. But second and really important obstacle is that cant horde use foreign units anymore? So staying horde is not viable option now?

Correct, Wiz wanted to nerf hordes so he gave them 25% minimum autonomy and removed the ability to recruit units in foreign cores, renaming a formerly WAD feature as an "exploit" and compared it to a bug. The intention seems to be "reform or die".

 

[Tallyhoo]

Oh well now im thinking if AI is even able to reform its government (save enough admin points to recover from -5 stab hit and take proper admin idea).

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It will on occasion, since it takes ideas that allow it. It has to luck into +3 stab after doing so; if it does it'll reform. Maybe 1/10 games you'll see this?

 

[DevastatingTech]

The existing design on Hordes is that they should reform or die, pretty much. You can argue that design should change, but leaving an exploity workaround (recruiting in foreign cores) is not the way to go about it.

Yes, this is Wiz's opinion while Hordes balled in Eurasia (mostly Asia) for 2000+ years.

 

[axzhang]

As an aside, anyone notice that the gold mine in Samara is gone? There's a crappy 3 base tax gold mine near Perm now instead. RIP best province in game outside of Tirol in Europe. Tough nerf for western hordes. Kazan gets steamrolled in most of my games now within the decade.

 

[nicechinos]

It will on occasion, since it takes ideas that allow it. It has to luck into +3 stab after doing so; if it does it'll reform. Maybe 1/10 games you'll see this?

Two times out of two my vassal Kazan reformed. At least they have high priority to do this.

 

[Tallyhoo]

Well i managed to reform government by 1500 but i have question now. There is written in that decission tooltip when you reform government you gain new traditions and ambitions but im still stuck with horde ideas. I dont complain because those are one of the best in the game but is it not that bug? No cost for reinforcing thats just too amazing

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Two times out of two my vassal Kazan reformed. At least they have high priority to do this.

Sounds new to 1.8. Too bad for me 1.8 doesn't work so I'm not playing it. Hopefully they get that fixed soon.

 

[Stategem161803]

In my first AOW game, every horde on the map reformed. Several of them westernized. Everybody and their mother is westernizing in 1.8.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

In my first AOW game, every horde on the map reformed. Several of them westernized. Everybody and their mother is westernizing in 1.8.

Good. If that's how the game is designed, set up, and biased the AI should do it.