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Tallyhoo

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Hello,

I started my Qara Quoynlu game and i would like to form Persia. First obstacle is to reform government but its ok i can do that i guess. But second and really important obstacle is that cant horde use foreign units anymore? So staying horde is not viable option now?
 

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Hello,

I started my Qara Quoynlu game and i would like to form Persia. First obstacle is to reform government but its ok i can do that i guess. But second and really important obstacle is that cant horde use foreign units anymore? So staying horde is not viable option now?

Correct, Wiz wanted to nerf hordes so he gave them 25% minimum autonomy and removed the ability to recruit units in foreign cores, renaming a formerly WAD feature as an "exploit" and compared it to a bug. The intention seems to be "reform or die".
 
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The existing design on Hordes is that they should reform or die, pretty much. You can argue that design should change, but leaving an exploity workaround (recruiting in foreign cores) is not the way to go about it.

Yes, this is Wiz's opinion while Hordes balled in Eurasia (mostly Asia) for 2000+ years.
 
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As an aside, anyone notice that the gold mine in Samara is gone? There's a crappy 3 base tax gold mine near Perm now instead. RIP best province in game outside of Tirol in Europe. Tough nerf for western hordes. Kazan gets steamrolled in most of my games now within the decade.
 

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Well i managed to reform government by 1500 but i have question now. There is written in that decission tooltip when you reform government you gain new traditions and ambitions but im still stuck with horde ideas. I dont complain because those are one of the best in the game but is it not that bug? No cost for reinforcing thats just too amazing :D
 

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In my first AOW game, every horde on the map reformed. Several of them westernized. Everybody and their mother is westernizing in 1.8.