Horde territory aquired without colonization

[Kurblius]

I think I'm missing something with the Hordes. I've seen the AI regularly vassilize Hordes, but I don't see that as a peace option in my Hansa game. I also just saw Ming acquire a bunch of territory from Qirat Horde without colonizing. I believe I've also seen annexation of Hordes by non-Hordes, though I'm not sure about this one. Certainly I don't see this as a peace option either. Can anyone enlighten me as to what's going on? Couldn't find anything on Wiki... or perhaps I'm not going to the right page.

 

[Swistaczek]

AI is allowed to vassalize Hordes while player is not. I dont know if it's also allowed to annex horde or demand provinces, although I can recall a few moments when I saw such things.

 

[DDRJake]

When a horde has -3 stability the AI can force a peace deal of vassilisation upon them due to the "we cannot refuse this peace deal" clause of having no stability. I've had this happen to me as a horde.

We'd need more information about how Ming got those provinces to rule out things like rebels. Check the province histories.

 

[Kurblius]

I don't think it's stability - The Qirat Horde was at +3 before and after the provinces were lost to Ming. Rebels weren't involved - The province history files simply states that 1693.9.19= owner="MNG", with Ming as controler before that. The I certainly never saw rebels on the three provinces that became Ming. Also, the provinces were Mongol cultured with no Ming cores. The Qirat Horde was simply completely controlled by Ming before all but 2 of the provinces - one of which was it's Capital - suddenly became owned by Ming, and Ming and Qirat Horde were no longer at war.

The provinces WERE controlled by Ming for quite some time though before this - almost 8 years in the case of Altai. Though none of the provinces were ever partially colonized - I don't believe its even possible for the AI to send colonists because of the perpetual dominance of the Bureaucratic faction.

 

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In an AI vs AI war, a horde nation can sometimes cede provinces to a civilized AI opponent, the same way that one civilized nation might cede provinces to another. I've been running a lot of hands off games of the latest 5.2 beta and I've seen this happen quite a few times.

There is no mistaking it, it shows up in the peace treaty message and I checked to make sure that the horde nation was still a horde and the civilized nation was still civilized.

I don't have a screenshot at the moment.

 

[Kurblius]

In an AI vs AI war, a horde nation can sometimes cede provinces to a civilized AI opponent, the same way that one civilized nation might cede provinces to another. I've been running a lot of hands off games of the latest 5.2 beta and I've seen this happen quite a few times.

There is no mistaking it, it shows up in the peace treaty message and I checked to make sure that the horde nation was still a horde and the civilized nation was still civilized.

I don't have a screenshot at the moment.

Yes, I should mention I'm playing 5.2 beta.