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For those somehow still oblivious to the problem here it is: there are way too many characters with the dwarf trait and they face very little problems, if any.

There have already been many threads about it, so I'll cut straight to the point: suggested changes.

1. Prestige penalty for the dwarf trait - dwarves were not really considered highly in the day and age of CK2. I would suggest about -0.1 monthly prestige.
2. Diplomacy penalty - same as above plus the fact that it would have a realistic effect on their ability to gain politcal strenght. I'd suggest -1 or -2.
3. Negative vassal opinion. Most medieval lords would not be happy about being ruled by a women and so they have a relations penalty with vassals. The same should apply to dwarves. Bonus points for making it less likely that a faction would place a dwarf on the throne. I'd suggest -10.
4. Lower chance of random courtiers being created with the trait and lower chance of being born with it. The dwarf trait is the one with the highest chance of being inherited, which should be balanced with a lower chance of getting it in the first place.
5. Prestige penalty for marrying a dwarf. Most feudal lords would consider such a marriage offer insulting unless there was a difference in rank (i.e. the dwarf being of higher rank).
6. Penalty to AI's acceptance of marriage proposals with dwarves. Combined with the above this would hopefuly result in most dwarves marrying below rank and unlanded dwarves not marrying at all. 5 and 6 should not apply to dwarf-dwarf marriages.
7. To combat the problems that the above creates if one has a dwarf heir I propose the introduction of a new decision: disown a child. This decision would only be allowed if the child is a dwarf/kinslayer/excommunicated/different religious group. It would cost a lot of prestige and piety and cause a relationship penalty with the target and/or dynasty members and/or vassals.
 

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I've had a huge amount of dwarfs in my current game. I've seen a dwarf king of France, dwarf king of Sweden, dwarf crusader king of Norway, and two kings of Taurica have served as court dwarf in my empire. Also the great Khan of the Golden Horde was a dwarf. It's kind of hilarious actually, but maybe there shouldn't be quite so many.
 

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I started a Russian duchess game recently using the ruler designer and chose the dwarf trait to get points to spend in genius without realizing the negative impact it'd have with the vassals since opposite gender dwarves are really disliked. Three generations later a tenth of my dyasty are dwarves, and about 20% of the Doukas are too since I intermarried heavily with them. I thought dwarfism was a recessive trait, but maybe I'm wrong. Oh and the geniuses vanished completelly from my family except for a couple of septuagenarianwomen.
 

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I too have noticed that before my modding that that Dwarf really appeared much more often than the other unpleasant birth traits despite having the same probability of appearing as the others. It always seems to go % wise, Dwarf, Hunchback, Imbecile, Inbred, clubfoot, ugly, in that order. stutter, lisp, hairlip rarely seem to occur.
 

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I don't know, it doesn't seem to be too frequent. I had 1 dwarf in my full-length Byzantine game... and in my current France game, I've only had one so far. Actually, he's probably one of the more memorable characters. A Gay dwarf ends up being the the most pious and bloodthirsty infidel killer in my dynasty. He died with over 5k piety, had the nickname 'The Pious" and loved by the pope. (He probably gained about 2000 gold from papal gifts over his lifetime) and the rest of his vassals.

I do agree that there should be more negative bits to being a dwarf.
 

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In all my 20 years of life, I can't say I've ever actually seen a person with Dwarfism outside of the television, but CK2 does seem to give far too many characters this trait.

To be honest though, seeing as the trait doesn't make characters appear to have Dwarfism facially, then you could do what I do and take it as meaning that, instead of actually having Dwarfism, the 'dwarf' trait just means the characters are very short.
 

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Sir, I disagree. My Court Dwarf is among the most prestigious ancillaries of my house.
 

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Honestly, I think at some point if there is a certain ratio of dwarfish characters created in the game, they should take over the Switzerland provinces since they are all mountainous and vanish from all other courts to form entirely new dwarf courts. The Dwarf trait can become hereditary and they can get some insane monetary and castle defense buff for digging into the mountains. They can become like the Lord of the Rings dwarfs.
 

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Heh, this reminds me of my first game. I played the Árpád dynasty and dwarfism got into my characters quite early on. I had a lot of dwarf kings and so did Sicily, which was also ruled by Árpáds. It was fun.
 

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Nice suggestion. I agree that there are too many dwarvies.
 

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Honestly, I think at some point if there is a certain ratio of dwarfish characters created in the game, they should take over the Switzerland provinces since they are all mountainous and vanish from all other courts to form entirely new dwarf courts. The Dwarf trait can become hereditary and they can get some insane monetary and castle defense buff for digging into the mountains. They can become like the Lord of the Rings dwarfs.

LMAO...must admit this would be hilarious. Then maybe they can make a DLC called the Dwarf Awakening and out of the mountains of Switzerland comes a mass invasion of Dwarves to counter the invasion of the bloodthirsty Aztecs.
 

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LMAO...must admit this would be hilarious. Then maybe they can make a DLC called the Dwarf Awakening and out of the mountains of Switzerland comes a mass invasion of Dwarves to counter the invasion of the bloodthirsty Aztecs.

Counter? You mean, "invade the last part of the map that still has some peace from supreme invading forces"? :)
 

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That too ;) be nice seeing a dwarf invasion of the Holy Roman Empire wouldn't it...and then when they finish that they can counter the aztec invasion.
 

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I totally agree that the number of dwarves needs to be cut down. Its not uncommon to see 3-4 families of them. Some of the penalties suggested in the OP do seem a bit harsh (especially prestige) but yes, there should be opinion penalties.
 

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I totally agree that the number of dwarves needs to be cut down. Its not uncommon to see 3-4 families of them. Some of the penalties suggested in the OP do seem a bit harsh (especially prestige) but yes, there should be opinion penalties.

-0.1 prestige/month isn't much - it's barely 12/10 years or 120/100 years. One war is enough to offset the lifetime prestige penalty.