Agreed. I think this is something that could add a little extra flavor to the game, if handled in a mature manner.
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An event like this would be pretty handy to stop Richard the Lionheart from spawning the vast brood he usually manages in the game. I think it would've made a worthy trait from the get go, but I suppose since no new traits will be added at this point, there wouldn't be much point.
Damocles said:
As we all know, Edward III was begat by William Wallace. DUH!
I love the idea of this event. It could even be "stealth" mode so as to hide from the religious right.
Trigger: Child must be at least 16, still has an education trait. MTTH lower for arbitrary, chaste. MTTH higher for zealous, lustful. **BOY CHILD ONLY**
"Your child seems to enjoy spending unseemly amounts of time among his peers."
[the trigger above is DELIBERATELY short possible window so this event isn't common]
A) The child will figure it all out.
50% gains "Chaste"; Fertility -2; (Yes, I know Chaste reduces ferility, too. This makes for a visual reminder) 20% gains "Stressed"
b) Gently Encourage the child to seek the attentions of a peasant girl.
25% A bastard is born.
10% Gains trait "lustful"
15% Gains traits "deceitful", "chaste"
c) Inform the Diocese Bishop!
10% gains trait "Zealous"; Piety +50
20% gains trait "vengeful"
20% gains trait "chaste"
10% gains trait "sceptical"; Piety - 10
Piety [liege] + 20
d) He's no son of mine!
Child gains trait "bastard"
Prestige [liege] -50;
Child gains trait "chaste";
Child fertility - 5;
50% Child Defects [Runs off to live with his... special friend!]
Piety [liege] +50
Im all for it, and controversy, what controversy? its no more controversial then your ruler going insane and murdering his wife or child or something, or the ability to assasinate people and such. I mean some people might frown upon it or find it a bit too touchy, but in that case we might aswell remove the kinslayer trait or remove "Crusading" from the game because of the evilness of what they truly where. To hell with political correctness and such, i dont think anybody cares, its just a computer game after all.
Besides, throughout histroy there have been Homosexual Monarchs, i think its a very legitimate request, for example, William II, Edward II, Queen anne, evn though she was of a later period, god knows who else was but was never "sussed out"
Besides, throughout histroy there have been Homosexual Monarchs, i think its a very legitimate request, for example, William II, Edward II, Queen anne, evn though she was of a later period, god knows who else was but was never "sussed out"
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I've often thought that this sort of event should be added, for men and women. It would add some realism.
Duuk said:As we all know, Edward III was begat by William Wallace. DUH!
I love the idea of this event. It could even be "stealth" mode so as to hide from the religious right.
Trigger: Child must be at least 16, still has an education trait. MTTH lower for arbitrary, chaste. MTTH higher for zealous, lustful. **BOY CHILD ONLY**
"Your child seems to enjoy spending unseemly amounts of time among his peers."
[the trigger above is DELIBERATELY short possible window so this event isn't common]
A) The child will figure it all out.
50% gains "Chaste"; Fertility -2; (Yes, I know Chaste reduces ferility, too. This makes for a visual reminder) 20% gains "Stressed"
b) Gently Encourage the child to seek the attentions of a peasant girl.
25% A bastard is born.
10% Gains trait "lustful"
15% Gains traits "deceitful", "chaste"
c) Inform the Diocese Bishop!
10% gains trait "Zealous"; Piety +50
20% gains trait "vengeful"
20% gains trait "chaste"
10% gains trait "sceptical"; Piety - 10
Piety [liege] + 20
d) He's no son of mine!
Child gains trait "bastard"
Prestige [liege] -50;
Child gains trait "chaste";
Child fertility - 5;
50% Child Defects [Runs off to live with his... special friend!]
Piety [liege] +50
I like this. Yeah. Having a short trigger condition makes sense anyway, without the 'controversial' issue.
SecondReich said:
While yes it would be nice for men and women, there is a problem. (one being women can not be bastards). Besides, Female Homosexuality was not seen the same as that of men (if at all, there is very little mention of Lesbianism in the middle ages). besides the women's sexuality had little to do with the matter as she would bear children, whether she liked it or not. A man's role in the matter is somewhat different - the body must be willing (if one knows what I mean).
Yours
Ayeshteni
yours
Ayeshteni
There should definately be more "inter-court rivalry". (A courtier trying to assassinate another ex, slander, possible duelling...)
I don´t like the concept of being able to choose not to make somebody gay, it just doesn´t work like that.
imho every choice u make will be irrelevant to the fact that the person is gay - the decreased fertility should always be there. One cant be forced to have children too - the event choices that will have some chance of making this happen should result in stress the least.
there should always be a prestige and piety hit however for admitting the true sexuality of the person. Maybe there should be even a threat of excommunication?
im glad ppl liked the idea it certainly will spice up the game a bit
there should always be a prestige and piety hit however for admitting the true sexuality of the person. Maybe there should be even a threat of excommunication?
im glad ppl liked the idea
it certainly will spice up the game a bit 
Grosshaus said:
I'm not really knowing in the ways it works, but I do know that in the middleages, they thought that it worked out that way. Wich is what would be reflected. Gaining the trait discreet is mybe a better simulation...
Actulally, I'm more in favor of the scandal event.
-Courtiers duelling over the post of marshal (younger, more hottempered killing of older dude..) With the option to exile/execute him.
-Smymaster canditades finds blackmail either you or your spymaster, threatining you with Scandal, chose between money, appointing or try to assasinate him...
-You/Your son doesn't seem to be able to impregnate yout/his wife,
option a, try t file for divorce (massive loss of piety), B Get som discreet help to secure succesion (child may later be revealed a bastard with "SCANDAL" event wich is VERY bad. C, try harder (gain lustful)
and much more...
Grosshaus said:
Human sexuality is far more maliable than we are willing to admit in our PC age. For example, bisexuality was so common in the Greco-Roman world that his contemporaries thought that it was worth recording that Pericles *did not* like boys. Compare and contrast to the modern West, even the more tollerant and liberal bits.
Alexandre
You guys may want to take a look at my SMACK mod, there is an event there on just this topic...
Basically it reduces your son's fertility and gives you the choice of disowning him or not.
Basically it reduces your son's fertility and gives you the choice of disowning him or not.
Quift said:I'm not really knowing in the ways it works, but I do know that in the middleages, they thought that it worked out that way. Wich is what would be reflected. Gaining the trait discreet is mybe a better simulation...
Actulally, I'm more in favor of the scandal event.
-Courtiers duelling over the post of marshal (younger, more hottempered killing of older dude..) With the option to exile/execute him.
-Smymaster canditades finds blackmail either you or your spymaster, threatining you with Scandal, chose between money, appointing or try to assasinate him...
-You/Your son doesn't seem to be able to impregnate yout/his wife,
option a, try t file for divorce (massive loss of piety), B Get som discreet help to secure succesion (child may later be revealed a bastard with "SCANDAL" event wich is VERY bad. C, try harder (gain lustful)
and much more...
I don´t see how that would be possible without a separate trait for being gay.
Alexandre said:
This is not the place to discuss the essence of homosexuality. The only way this kind of events can be included is them being very PC on every possible way and to have pretty minimal in-game effects. That is not open for discussion.
Grosshaus said:
Well. Howabout the father throwing his son's annoying lover out of the window? Thats been historically documented by hollywood as something of a choice in the matter. :rofl:
Grosshaus said:
We already have the Lisp trait...
While I agree this sort of event could be nice, if its already being bogged down by worries of controversy and "PCness", it should probably be held.
Trouble is that the way homosexuality was treated by medieval society varied according to culture and religion, I know that in the Byzantine Empire homesexuality carried a death penalty.
Alexandre said:
A-ha! Now we arrive at the very core of why that empire crumbled! :rofl:GoblinCookie said:
Sera said:
Greco-Roman = pre Christian
Byzantine = Post Christian.
In this context at least. But you know that
Ayeshteni
How about "Your son does not seem to be very interested in girls", giving him the Chaste trait and a 66% chance of getting Lisp along with a noticable piety loss as well (perhaps with a B option of "I'll teach him!" that has a 67% chance of giving the boy Chaste, 33% of Lisp and 10% of Lustful)?Grosshaus said: