It would be interesting if this game had events about christian and non-christian holydays...
HOLYday Events
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You mean like Easter, Christmas, Ramadan, all that stuff? The events would pile up pretty quickly if you were playing at any reasonable speed.
But it would add chances for, at least, temporary truces and other events, that were common in those periods.
I've read that Ramadan is in the SoI expansion. An event you can choose to honor by releasing prisoners, I believe.
I had thought about that. There was this pretty cool movement in France in the early 11th century called the Peace of God which, among other things, made it illegal to wage war on certain days of the week and every holiday. Also, there were yearly rituals, like the Holy Fire which would descend onto the alter in the Holy Sepuchre every Easter in Jerusalem. If I remember correctly, Baldwin of Edessa used a year inwhich the Holy Fire didn't descend to make a claim for kingship in Jerusalem, which he eventually gained. The point is, small things like that can and did have profound impact on politics.
However, such things would be a pain to create. Could you imagine loosing piety for having your army fight on a Sunday? And many holidays follow a lunar, not solar calendar, so it would be hard to implement. It would make for some interesting special events however. Frankly, I would be happy with religion being a bit more important in the game. I feel the Church is too weak and typically stays out of your own business, which it certainly did not do in real Medieval history.
However, such things would be a pain to create. Could you imagine loosing piety for having your army fight on a Sunday? And many holidays follow a lunar, not solar calendar, so it would be hard to implement. It would make for some interesting special events however. Frankly, I would be happy with religion being a bit more important in the game. I feel the Church is too weak and typically stays out of your own business, which it certainly did not do in real Medieval history.
Something like this would be very easy to do. I'd be surprised if there isn't a mod for it.
Ramadan is an event you can activate at any time that consists of a chain of subsequent events. There's giving to charity, buying gifts for wives, releasing prisoners and the prost-fast feast. The main purpose of it is to reduce decadence and increase piety.
That reminds me!
About the Holy Fire in Jerusalem on Pascha, it is said that while the crusaders had control the Catholics wanted to conduct the "ritual" for the Holy Fire instead of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem. It is said the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem spent all day and night praying and crying for the Holy Fire to appear on the night of Pascha, but it never came. There is also a tradition that when this was done, a lightning bolt (or thunder or whatever it is called) shot and hit a certain pillar close to the seplechure, which made it have a very large crack which can be seen today. That lightning bolt tradition is probably just made up for various reasons with evidence, but I always found these traditions to be fascinating.
I might have recalled all of this wrongly, but I cannot be bothered to serf the internet to try to find it again right now.
ANYWAY, Baseballkrba, do you recall where one can read about Baldwin of Edessa regarding the Holy Fire? Maybe the tradition of the Catholics trying to obtain and failing is with this same instance with Baldwin... ;P
EDIT: Oops! Looks like I confused two traditions with each other. I found this on wikipedia, which will clear a bit up:
The Holy Fire is first mentioned by the pilgrim Bernard the Monk, in 870 AD.[6] A detailed description of this phenomenon is contained in the travelogue of the Russian hegumen Daniil (Daniel), who was present at the ceremony in 1106 AD. Daniel mentions a blue incandescence descending from the dome to the edicula where the patriarch awaits the Holy Fire. Some claim to have witnessed this incandescence in modern times.[7]
During the many centuries of this phenomenon's history, the Holy Fire is said not to have descended only on certain occasions, usually when heterodox priests attempted to obtain it. According to the tradition, in 1099, for example, the failure of Crusaders to obtain the fire led to street riots in Jerusalem[citation needed]. It is also claimed that in 1579, the Armenian patriarch Hovhannes I of Constantinople prayed day and night in order to obtain the Holy Fire, but lightning miraculously struck a column near the entrance and lit a candle held by the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem Sophronius IV standing nearby.[8] Upon entering the temple, the Orthodox Christians would embrace this column, which bears marks and a large crack that they attribute to the lightning bolt.
In 1969–1970, the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem Benedict introduced the Revised Julian calendar prompted by the Geneva-based World Council of Churches, which changed the calculation of the date of the event. That same year, the Holy Fire did not appear at the Holy Sepulchre. The original ecclesiastical chronology (the Eastern Orthodox Church calendar) with the original calculation of the date was immediately restored, and the Holy Fire recommenced appearing the following year and thereafter.[9][10]
On May 3, 1834, the Church was so packed that a stampede caused four hundred deaths, with the governor Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt saved by his guards' swords slicing a way out, as reported by Robert Curzon.[11]
On April 26, 1856, James Finn watched Greek pilgrims battling Armenians with concealed sticks and stones. The pasha had to be carried out before his soldiers charged with fixed bayonets.[12]
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By the way guys, I noticed that there is a trait "Pilgrim" for Christians. Can anyone explain how one can get this trait? I have never seen it in game, only on the ruler designer list of traits.
I mean, how do you get your ruler to go on a pilgrimage?
I mean, how do you get your ruler to go on a pilgrimage?
In my game main purpose of it is kill the old ruller whom his heir is his grandson's grandson. Stubborn old geezers die during the fast
baseballkrba10 said:
Ramadan and Hadj time is based on lunar calendar but PI add them without time restriction
And it sounds like Ramadan has been added as a random event with the sword of Islam expansion, which is cool. Is the depiction of Ramadan accurate? Maybe, I don't know, I haven't bothered to calculate the calendar for 1066. It doesn't really matter to me when Ramadan began in 1066, but if I was making a game with it in consideration, it might matter to me. Either way, I would be happy with anyone able to make holidays important and interesting, accurate or not.
It's not a random event. It's a decision. You can fire that decision outside of where Ramadan probably falls, but it's all down to the player really.
Maybe Paradox could add those holidays as decisions, just like Ramadan(but in the right period)
Peace of God was a (nasty) event in CKI. Basically you had to white peace or have a chance to be excommunicated. I would be in favor of it returning, it was flavorful, gave the church something to do, and promoted interesting decisions/stories (not to mention firing at the worst times possible)
ANYWAY, Baseballkrba, do you recall where one can read about Baldwin of Edessa regarding the Holy Fire? Maybe the tradition of the Catholics trying to obtain and failing is with this same instance with Baldwin... ;P
I read it in a class a few years ago, it was primary source material, but I have forgotten who wrote it. I think what happened is that Baldwin is pretty good about playing politics with local leaders and groups. The Latin Patriarch was unable to summon the Holy Fire and Baldwin allied with a group of Armenian priests. The Armenians were able to summon the Fire, and Baldwin profited. Sorry I cant be more specific, but I lost that source a long time ago.
I read it in a class a few years ago, it was primary source material, but I have forgotten who wrote it. I think what happened is that Baldwin is pretty good about playing politics with local leaders and groups. The Latin Patriarch was unable to summon the Holy Fire and Baldwin allied with a group of Armenian priests. The Armenians were able to summon the Fire, and Baldwin profited. Sorry I cant be more specific, but I lost that source a long time ago.