Holy War CBs, I'm confused what grants this.

[Cookar]

I started up a game with the Fatimid's just to see the 1.07b changes. I started out gobbling the Miaphysite rulers to the south while avoiding truce breaking. With my retinues far south and a long land march back to potential navy transport, I figured I would at least grab a single sheikdom off of the Sunni Emir down there.

Lo and behold, a holy war for his entire Emirate was available. Odd, I thought Holy wars were restricted to different faiths or heresies, and I didn't think the mechanics made Sunni and Shia heresies of each other. But I started abusing this, grabbing up the small Emirs across the middle east and invading a rebelling offshoot of the Seljuk's for most of Syria.

Meanwhile. my Emir of Alexandria had successfully conquered the Shia sheikdoms to the west so I holy warred to take tripolitano down.

But now I was unable to holy war either of the Sunni Tunisian Emirs. I checked throughout lots of the muslim world and it seemed semi-random who and who I could not holy war. I could not detect a pattern at all.

So what exactly is the condition for being granted a holy war cb?

 

[perpetualmuse]

Sunni and Shia can holy war each other, though Catholic and Orthodox can't unless the LoR DLC is used and Catholic becomes a heresy. It seems to me that you can't holy war another Muslim faith if they are currently the target of a holy war from the Christians. For example, in my game as King of Sicily, I am Shia and can holy war the Seljuks, but if I use the console to play as a Christian, declare holy war on the Seljuks and then switch back to Sicily, the CB is now gone. This is not because I lack the piety, it says I don't have a valid CB.

 

[Dracko81]

can_use = {
		ROOT = {
			NOT = { religion_group = pagan_group }
			NOT = { same_realm = FROM }
			OR = {
				NOT = { religion_group = FROM }
				is_heresy_of = FROM
				is_parent_religion = FROM
				[COLOR="#FFFF00"]AND = {
					religion_group = muslim
					NOT = { religion = FROM }
					FROM = {
						NOT = { 
							any_current_enemy = {
								NOT = {
									religion_group = muslim
								}
							}
						}
					}
				}[/COLOR]
			}
			top_liege = {
				religion_group = ROOT
				NOT = { religion = FROM }
				OR = {
					religion = ROOT
					AND = {
						is_heretic = no
						ROOT = { is_heretic = no }
					}
				}
			}
		}
	}

You can not declare a holy war on another muslim, if they are at war with a non-muslim.

 

[perpetualmuse]

This has changed from 1.06b. The definition for 1.06b was:

	can_use = {
		ROOT = {
			NOT = { religion_group = pagan_group }
			NOT = { same_realm = FROM }
			OR = {
				NOT = { religion_group = FROM }
				is_heresy_of = FROM
				is_parent_religion = FROM
				AND = {
					religion_group = muslim
					NOT = { religion = FROM }
				}
			}
			top_liege = {
				religion_group = ROOT
				NOT = { religion = FROM }
				OR = {
					religion = ROOT
					AND = {
						is_heretic = no
						ROOT = { is_heretic = no }
					}
				}
			}
		}
	}

 

[Dracko81]

Interesting it must of been missed in the patch notes. Either way, the new way is the new way. Picking on fellow muslims whilsts they are at war with infidels...