Holy orders constantly leaving

[STABBY5]

I understand why they nerfed having 5 vassal holy orders and restricted it to 1 but the single holy order constantly leaving for absolutely no reason is ridiculous as is the constant "unfit ruler" -50. It doesn't matter if you are a saint or the religious head himself they always just leave. If it is something I'm doing the game doesn't tell me.

 

[Serenity84]

It's solely based on their opinion of you. Like many other things in the game

 

[STABBY5]

It's solely based on their opinion of you. Like many other things in the game

Then it's bugged because I've had many 100 opinion grandmasters leave me.

 

[nickconstantin]

Then it's bugged because I've had many 100 opinion grandmasters leave me.

I have this problem as well. Super annoying.
I think the chance for a holy order to leave should be reduced, especially if you're the religious head.

 

[ZacmanTheDamned]

Were they fighting someone they shouldn't have been? I find (as a Germanic), the Jormsvikings left me when I used them to put down a civil war (I believe holy orders hate fighting coreligionists unless they're excommunicated or have the max bracket of threat)

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Paradox fixed it in Holy Fury so you can't hoard Holy Orders anymore. You can have a max of one total.

I believe they mentioned that change back in the DD announcing the new Holy Order gov type.

 

[Kraska]

Paradox fixed it in Holy Fury so you can't hoard Holy Orders anymore. You can have a max of one total.

I believe they mentioned that change back in the DD announcing the new Holy Order gov type.

The OP's problem is not the cap on holy orders, but that the one holy order keeps leaving even when it makes no sense for them to do so.

 

[Seclouds]

After I ate a ancient aztec boy in jail, the holy order leave me. sad for that.

 

[makaramus]

After I ate a ancient aztec boy in jail, the holy order leave me. sad for that.

To be honest even if I worshipping alş father odin I too will leave you because I will fear for my life
Also:eating prisoners for no reason is insane act

 

[STABBY5]

Were they fighting someone they shouldn't have been?

They refuse to fight coreligionists. I've had them leave in peace, at war, during a crusade, it doesn't matter. I just had a spare dejure duchy I kept granting them and revassalizing them when I'm at peace.

I think the chance for a holy order to leave should be reduced, especially if you're the religious head.

I definite hope its not a "chance" holy orders having a mean time to declare independence would be extremely annoying.

 

[LaTueur]

I checked the files and they are leaving when:

• They have -20 opinion
• You are excommunicated
• You are from a different religion

Otherwise, I think they fight anyone while they are your vassals.

 

[makaramus]

I checked the files and they are leaving when:

• They have -20 opinion
• You are excommunicated
• You are from a different religion

Otherwise, I think they fight anyone while they are your vassals.

I heard their levies dont help aganist same religion

 

[Seclouds]

And a question about Livonian order.
I start the game at 1220 as Queen of J and vassalization the livno order, but I still can't hire it.
It only show Templar, Hospital, Tutor, Santiago and Calatrava in my list.
I send a possessed child to the Teutonic, and recruit the master of Livonian.
But I still can't hire Livonian... How can I use that holy order? It's already landed.

 

[STABBY5]

• They have -20 opinion

• You are excommunicated

• You are from a different religion

Then its a bug. Now what causes the "unfit ruler to tank their opinion".

 

[majdavlk]

And a question about Livonian order.
I start the game at 1220 as Queen of J and vassalization the livno order, but I still can't hire it.
It only show Templar, Hospital, Tutor, Santiago and Calatrava in my list.
I send a possessed child to the Teutonic, and recruit the master of Livonian.
But I still can't hire Livonian... How can I use that holy order? It's already landed.

i think that livonian ordrr doesnt habe its own holy oreer troops

 

[FifthMonarchy]

The behaviour I find most irritating is if you accidentally hit hostile rebels of same religion the holy order will disband rather than withdrawing from battle, meaning you have to raise them again and you might now lack sufficient piety, quite apart from getting them back to where the action is after raising them in your capital. Sure previously they'd just retreat as if defeated rather than disband altogether.
I've also noted in bug reports that with the Miaphysite order at least they still press claims for order members who AFAIK where supposed to have given all that up, or declare ducal conquest wars on coreligionists.
All in all, could definitely do with a look, I'd say.

 

[STABBY5]

The behaviour I find most irritating is if you accidentally hit hostile rebels of same religion the holy order will disband rather than withdrawing from battle

They normally just stand there and watch for me.

 

[darryllavigne]

It usually happened to me after one of my viceroys-relatives died and I inherited far too many duchies / demesne which, temporarily, tanked their opinion of me long enough for them to quit. Since I started keeping the game paused until all titles were redistributed I haven't had the problem anymore.