Holland revisited.

[Mad King James]

just noticed an error in the 1419.inc I made, fixed it.
So is it going in the next version of EEP?

 

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Depends. A lot of other countries will have to be ready before the next version of EEP is released.

 

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Originally posted by Havard


Well, not really. When we started the beta-testing Brabant wasn't there - Hainault was. After some discussion it was agreed to replace it with Brabant.

I think that the next game, EU 3, the province of Zeeland must be split to represent Hainault or Henegouwen as the Vlaamsch-Dutch say,
To Mad Dog, the story of the succession of Holland is much more complicated than this, but I haven´t really got the time right now to elaborate.. Maybe later

My main objection is that Jacoba shouldn´t be sovereign of Friesland or Fryslan at all, she would be sovereign of Holland instead.

Never mind, I will comeback to this later

 

[Mad King James]

reworked it a bit

 

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When you become the Netherlands, would you still trigger the events for Flanders, Gelre, and Friesland to join in the new republic?
Also would it trigger the events in England, France, Austria, and Spain for the Dutch Revolt was successful, thus giving up their respected holdings in any of the Netherland's provinces?I am just asking sorry if it is bothering!

 

[Mad King James]

Once you stop being the County of Holland (U10) and start being the Netherlands (HOL) the standard Dutch events take over, so yes you would have the Formation of the Dutch Republic event.

This is the reason why there are no events after becoming the Netherlands, there ARE, but they are for HOL, not U10

 

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Oh ok thank you hehe!

 

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Originally posted by Wasa


I think that the next game, EU 3, the province of Zeeland must be split to represent Hainault or Henegouwen as the Vlaamsch-Dutch say,

I think you've mixed a few regions up here. Check out http://www.fgov.be/maps/map-b-prov_e.htm, an official map of present-day Belgium. It gives you a general idea of the relative location of every region:

Henegouwen (Hainaut) is south-southwest of Brabant (both Vlaams and Waals Brabant), which historically also included the present-day province of Antwerp, and the present-day Dutch province of Noord-Brabant. As such, to say that Hainaut lies in the EU-Zeeland would be a historical mistake. Hainaut is south of Brabant, namely.

To make it all clear: http://www.livgenmi.com/gardiner26.htm

The orange lands are Spanish, the yellow ones are independent. You can recognize in orange, from left to right: Artois, Hainault, Brabant and Luxemburg.
In the yellow part, from left to right: Zeeland (which actually stops west of the various islands, where Noord-Brabant starts, which the EU map doesn't show), Holland, Friesland, Gelre.

I hope this makes it all clear!

JB

 

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I think you've missed the issue here. The point is that Jacoba had claims on Hainault, and how should those claims be represented. Those saying that Hainault is part of Brabant are saying that Hainault in real life is part of the EU province called 'Brabant', which includes a lot more then Belgian Brabant (for instance it includes Dutch Brabant). Admittedly I'm not sure how Hainault ends up in the EU province of Zealand, but I could make a case for it being in EU Artois or (with a strech) EU Flanders.

 

[Mad King James]

It's impossible to implement Jacoba's claim over Hainaut, unless we change Brabant INTO Hainaut, and when the inheritance of Brabant happens Flanders gets a boost to population and taxes.

I'm going to redo Friesland's monarchfile.

 

[Mad King James]

redone the events for Holland, now that I finally found an accurate history of what happened. Quite an interesting affair!

 

[Mad King James]

Since Paradox treats Artois as Hainaut for purposes of events, I'm going to start Holland off with Artois and lose it to Burgundy through events. Strassburg should also start off an independant vassal of Austria and be inherited by Burgundy through events too. Burgundy IS a french minor! thusly I've given it the 'standard' french CBs, but removed German and Dutch cultures. Burgundy starting off with only Flandern, Burgogne, and Franche-Compte needs major beefing up though. I've done all this:

# Burgundy #

country = {
tag = BUR
ai = "Burgundy.ai"
colonialattempts = 0
colonialnation = yes
major = no
dynamism = 3
colonists = 0
cancelledloans = 0
extendedloans = 0
treasury = 400
inflation = 0
merchants = 4.083333
religion = { type = catholic }
culture = {
type = french
}
diplomacy = {
relation = { tag = HAU value = 170 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = LUX value = 170 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = ENG value = 100 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = FRA value = -50 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = GEL value = -150 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = FRI value = -150 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = LOR value = -200 refusetrade = no }
}
knownprovinces = {
231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 263 264 265 266 270 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 450 461 462 463 464 465 466 469 470 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 490 977 491 492 493 494 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 744 745 746 805 806 817 819 820 821 840 867 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1057 1058 1331 1361 1362 1469
836 837 838 868 918 1466 1055 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613
}
ownedprovinces = {
380 387 409
}
controlledprovinces = {
385 383 380 387 409
}
nationalprovinces = {
380 387 409 375 376 379 382 383 384 385 386 406 407 408 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 7500
location = 387
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 37000
location = 380
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 10000
location = 409
capital = yes
}
landunit = {
id = { type = 9423 id = 855 }
name = "Bourgogne Armee"
location = 409
infantry = 18000
cavalry = 7000
artillery = 0
}

landunit = {
id = { type = 9423 id = 2801 }
name = "Flandern Armee"
location = 385
infantry = 15000
cavalry = 5000
artillery = 0
}

diplomats = 1
technology = {
stability = { level = 2 value = 42 }
infra = { level = 1 value = 104 }
trade = { level = 1 value = 55 }
land = { level = 1 value = 62 }
naval = { level = 0 value = 687 }
}
}

 

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So, now all this posted in this thread, is it included in EEP1.0b??

I am playing with EEP1.0b as GELRE, have Friezen as vasal, and own holland, Gelre, Zeeland, flanders and Hinault (not sure about the last one).
I am in 1533, my question is: will I be given the option to revert to The Netherlands as posted here in events #80011/#80012?

 

[Mad King James]

nope, though I hope it's in the next EEP. I think I've got Holland perfect finally.

In regards to Hainaut.. well Eastern Zeeland should be Brabant, Brabant should be Hainaut. As it is now Brabant is way too far south, and the whole reason for the annexation of Holland in the first place (the province of Hainaut) is nonexistant .

 

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So...when do you think the next EEP will be available? I have tried to put all the stuff on the beginning of this posting in my EU2-folder, but now I am getting DB-errors all over the place (not good I think). This is why I hate editing ... I suck at it!

A new EEP with all the Holland-stuff in it will be much appreciated from my side. Again, any idea when it will be available?

thanx for the good job!

 

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Start a new thread maybe? My understanding is that v2.0 won't happen until EUII 1.05 is out so that all events can be updated to 1.05.

 

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MKJ - have you tested the Holland mod under 1.05? With Burgundy having lost Alsace and having 10 BB points they seem to not be the superpower they were in 1.04. Taking away 2 of their last 5 provinces will presumably make them worse off. I'm thinking it might be helpful to reduce their BB in the EEP, at least by the 2 points they will be getting when they inherit Holland.

 

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I really don't see why Burgundy should have BB points at all if they only have Flandern, Artois, Franche Comte, and Bourgone unless you really don't want the Habsburg Iheritance to ever happen.

 

[TheF]

Friesland..

Holland should definately have a CB on Friesland.. they tried conquering it a zillion times.

 

[Mad King James]

ahh why not, considering it's vassal status it isn't likely to lead to way anyways.