Why? it's not like mercenaries always come from the capital of a nation. "Over 15% RR no merenaries" I could understand, but "no land link to capital no mercenaries" doesn't make sense IMO.
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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
They do get a starting package.... Spanish tech, which is usually the world's best at the time. Thus from the very beginning they have armies and navies better than many European majors, their trade and infrastructure efficiencies are incredibly high, and they do not suffer from inflation.
If that isn't one hell of a good starting package, I do not know what is
I always support the Netherlands getting a bit of cash and a starting army and navy but they do not really need it - they can send out their merchants competing away just about anybody and mint some coin to pay for it just like everybody else.
Unless they are unfortunate enough as to form from France, which is what happened to me. Then you start with the world's worst economic techs
Nope but the gold to recruit them did
So your sitting in Flanders the English Dutch and French rule the channel how are you going to recruit mercenaries with nothing to pay them with. because you have no connection to your treasury or new world gold.
In real life they had to march through Germany to get to Flanders along the "Spanish Road" (room for extra diplomacy and rp here)
Having the no link to capital rule for mercenaries i think might simulate this quite nicely .
Such a rule would prevent Spain from recruiting mercenaries in Italy, too. I'm not opposed to ruling that Spains shouldn't be able to recruit mercs in the Netherlands, just the generalization would lead to ahistorical results.
Originally posted by satan
Unless they are unfortunate enough as to form from France, which is what happened to me. Then you start with the world's worst economic techs
And not forget, Satan, to me also
As my Netherlands formed from your France in Cross
I was on the team that believed that Netherlands needed a starting package... a huge one
Until I played a MP game with the dutch starting in 1580 with 6k army, no navy and 30 ducats, if I remember. Oh, and rebels in one of theirs three provincies
Using diplomacy, some gifts from friends nations and playing safely Netherlands is able to trasform that start in a decent income, navy and colonies in a few years. And in a beutifull income, navy and colonies in less than a century.
A very fun nation to play.
Now I think the dutch dont need a huge start package. But some 10 warships, 10k soldiers and 300d would be fine
They only need diplomacy and time to send some merchants to collect money.
The other point of the thread I dont know how to answer, but I think the dutch revolts probably is a lot more easier to control now with the (very good) new rebel rule.
Maybe some change is needed here only to increase the like of the rebellious being at least a thorn in the side of Spain, France or the nation that owns that reformed dutch.
As mowers says: in all MP threads I read Netherlands seems to do just fine, if they forms.
EDIT: The questions is: will they still form if the owner of those lands decides to take out the actual dutch rebellions? The answer probably is: if the others powers allow (but was this historical? The dutch in real life were able to put a good fight that rebels in the game just aren´t capable).
Until I played a MP game with the dutch starting in 1580 with 6k army, no navy and 30 ducats, if I remember. Oh, and rebels in one of theirs three provincies
Using diplomacy, some gifts from friends nations and playing safely Netherlands is able to trasform that start in a decent income, navy and colonies in a few years. And in a beutifull income, navy and colonies in less than a century.
A very fun nation to play.
Now I think the dutch dont need a huge start package. But some 10 warships, 10k soldiers and 300d would be fine
They only need diplomacy and time to send some merchants to collect money.
The other point of the thread I dont know how to answer, but I think the dutch revolts probably is a lot more easier to control now with the (very good) new rebel rule.
Maybe some change is needed here only to increase the like of the rebellious being at least a thorn in the side of Spain, France or the nation that owns that reformed dutch.
As mowers says: in all MP threads I read Netherlands seems to do just fine, if they forms.
EDIT: The questions is: will they still form if the owner of those lands decides to take out the actual dutch rebellions? The answer probably is: if the others powers allow (but was this historical? The dutch in real life were able to put a good fight that rebels in the game just aren´t capable).
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Maybe a country should not be able to hire mercenaries in provinces with high RR? (and so Spain would be able to buy mercenaries in Italy but not in the Netherlands?).
Well what about no recruiting of mercenaries with no land link to capital and ports blockaded make navies more useful
I would use the same in colonies having a blockade of a colony should prevent troop recruitment.
Yes, that makes very much sense.
And now when I studied a bit better Portugal, your comments about default leaders also make sense. I mean Portugal leader file DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE ADMIRAL. What a naval nation! At least most of the time 3-3-3 "no-matter-what-name" admiral should be available.
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This one sounds good, if I understand it correctly like this:
Assuming your capital is in Europe, mercenaries can be recruited in any European province, which has a land connection to your capital or an unblocked port
Propose it to Johan ASAP.
This one sounds bad, as it would mean that a colony with a port would be worse for recruitment than one without, as the one without cannot be blockaded.
Perhaps recruitment could be prevented in COLONIES that don't have LAND CONNECTION to capital or access to an UNBLOCKED sea area.
Originally posted by Smirfy
Nope but the gold to recruit them did
So your sitting in Flanders the English Dutch and French rule the channel how are you going to recruit mercenaries with nothing to pay them with. because you have no connection to your treasury or new world gold.
In real life they had to march through Germany to get to Flanders along the "Spanish Road" (room for extra diplomacy and rp here)
Having the no link to capital rule for mercenaries i think might simulate this quite nicely .
So what if I want to hire mercs from the HRE which I have a direct link to both to Flanders and to Spain?
The historical Spanish road also hardly is a viable option in the game. AFAICS it can hardly be represented. Spain did get troops to the low countries but in this game u can easily keep them out. Too easily.
You are never sattisfiedy, are you?
Let it be applied only to player nations, like naval attrition. OK now? Happy?
I don't think so. For one thing, I really hate you can SHIP them there, even if you loose EVERY sea battle in EVERY sea zone from Galicia to Flandres.
It was that easy to keep them out. Spain had to WALK to the Netherlands from Italy where she could recruit..
Yeah, to get Spanish troops there. What if I want to hire mercs from Köln or so? Because that's what the mercs in the game are, foreigners. So if u follow that logic Spain should be able to hire mercs in the Low Countries and Italy without much trouble but shouldn't be able to in Madrid. U can walk straight from the HRE to Flanders. Doing so up to Madrid is just a tad harder
In the game the same merc company is available to be hired in Moscow one day and Madrid the next but Spain shouldn't be allowed to hire them in certain provinces?
Originally posted by BiB
We're not retreating, we're advancing in anotehr direction
Yeah, right!