Hole in the Void

[Jamaican Castle]

When The Force Awakens was released they did not have any concrete idea what to do with the characters.

The only case where this kind of thing exists is Game of Thrones, as the book's author had an idea of where he wants the story to go, before the series was made.

Incidentally, these examples are backwards: Abrams had a three-movie plan when he directed The Force Awakens, which was then thrown out when he was replaced for the next two movies.

And Martin didn't have a grand design for A Song of Ice and Fire when he started it. He had a plan for three books, which then became however many it's become in the course of fleshing out that plan into a design.

If you want a somewhat more successful (though still not perfectly successful) example, Babylon 5 had a five-year plan that it managed to mostly stick to with some notable exceptions.

 

[Surimi]

You are wrong on that part, the star eaters detonate one star at a time but once the engine is done every star explodes at the same time. So yes it could be a possiblity but the prethoryn mentioned they have been chased for eons. I dont see what an "asceneded" race would want with the prethoryn to chase them so much.

Every star exploding at the same time wouldn't make the galaxy disappear though, it would make it extremely bright. It's also kind of not clear what effect the engine has on the rest of the universe outside the galaxy in which it was activated. It's not even clear if the shroud exists in other galaxies, or is a phenomenon exclusive to the galaxy in which Stellaris takes place. Also, there are people in the Stellaris galaxy (the Vultaum, the Enigmatic Observers, the Shroud Entities, potentially your empire) who know that the galaxy they live in isn't real, which makes the reality of anything outside the galaxy a big unknown quantity.

But really, I would take the whole thing at face value. The point is that there might be something out there much, much worse than the Prethoryn, which can either just snap whole galaxies out of existence or block them from view completely. It's really just meant to be a spooky little moment.

 

[TheRevanchist25]

Every star exploding at the same time wouldn't make the galaxy disappear though, it would make it extremely bright. It's also kind of not clear what effect the engine has on the rest of the universe outside the galaxy in which it was activated. It's not even clear if the shroud exists in other galaxies, or is a phenomenon exclusive to the galaxy in which Stellaris takes place. Also, there are people in the Stellaris galaxy (the Vultaum, the Enigmatic Observers, the Shroud Entities, potentially your empire) who know that the galaxy they live in isn't real, which makes the reality of anything outside the galaxy a big unknown quantity.

But really, I would take the whole thing at face value. The point is that there might be something out there much, much worse than the Prethoryn, which can either just snap whole galaxies out of existence or block them from view completely. It's really just meant to be a spooky little moment.

Indeed, I think a lot of folks here presuming ideas, aren't fully thinking this through, just how massive 30 million light years is. Which is how far missing galaxy is from Stellaris Galaxy. The light we would see from it is 30 million years old, so it's true, if the galaxy died 30 million years ago, we would just now be seeing it...but the galaxy was still visible to your civilization during their (modern) information era, with their primitive telescopes. And only now, is the light gone a few hundred years later. Remember the Scourge travel at FTL, so it didn't take them 30 million years to to get here, from there. The Scourge also mention it's another race, so it seems more likely imo, that the reason you can't see it, is because something is between the observer (us) and the galaxy that appears to be missing. In order for that to even be remotely possible, would mean the object is (cosmically speaking) really effing close to the observer,

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Aren't the prethoryans mentioning being chased by the hunters? I faintly remember the queen saying something like that when you interact with them. Her speech indicated they weren't really better than the scourge and it was hinted they always follow them so could appear after you defeat the scourge.

I assume that was another hint towards their hunters.

 

[TheRevanchist25]

Aren't the prethoryans mentioning being chased by the hunters? I faintly remember the queen saying something like that when you interact with them. Her speech indicated they weren't really better than the scourge and it was hinted they always follow them so could appear after you defeat the scourge.

I assume that was another hint towards their hunters.

Yes, this is exactly referencing the Hunters. My goal here is to ask Paradox to please expand on this in the future, because the Hunter's sound like a god tier threat that players would love to deal with. One way or another, these hunters made a GALAXY disappear, either through some scientific or psionic means...or by having so many damn ships headed towards us they block a galaxy from view. I personally think it would be a lovely idea to have an even bigger crisis trigger if you play your campaign long enough after beating the crisis.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Yes, this is exactly referencing the Hunters. My goal here is to ask Paradox to please expand on this in the future, because the Hunter's sound like a god tier threat that players would love to deal with. One way or another, these hunters made a GALAXY disappear, either through some scientific or psionic means...or by having so many damn ships headed towards us they block a galaxy from view. I personally think it would be a lovely idea to have an even bigger crisis trigger if you play your campaign long enough after beating the crisis.

I mean i highly doubt there is going to be an end-endgame crisis. Don't get your hopes up to much.

Would be nice if they gave the stareaters to some of the crises. Would buff them massively since they wouldn't need to take planets and you couldn't just let them bombard you for ages. Don't Really need another crisis if the one you get is getting buffed.

 

[TheRevanchist25]

I mean i highly doubt there is going to be an end-endgame crisis. Don't get your hopes up to much.

Would be nice if they gave the stareaters to some of the crises. Would buff them massively since they wouldn't need to take planets and you couldn't just let them bombard you for ages. Don't Really need another crisis if the one you get is getting buffed.

I mean of course you don't need one, but it would be nice to have another one. More flavor and storytelling is always a positive.

 

[FinbarFlin]

Oh my god... its easy as it can be... the scourge flees from some unknown party called "the hunters"... so its not a hole in the void or that the stars in the mentioned galaxy went out... it just means that there is a gigantonormous fleet of "the hunters" blocking the light of the galaxy while they follow the scourge... so its more like... you have defeated the big scourge hive fleet only to realize that there is even a bigger one on the way... you know just like in every netflix series when things are going more and more crazy with every session... my god its so obvious how cant you people not see it?

 

[InvisibleBison]

Oh my god... its easy as it can be... the scourge flees from some unknown party called "the hunters"... so its not a hole in the void or that the stars in the mentioned galaxy went out... it just means that there is a gigantonormous fleet of "the hunters" blocking the light of the galaxy while they follow the scourge... so its more like... you have defeated the big scourge hive fleet only to realize that there is even a bigger one on the way... you know just like in every netflix series when things are going more and more crazy with every session... my god its so obvious how cant you people not see it?

Because even in Stellaris, the idea of a fleet of ships so big as to completely block out the light from an entire galaxy is too absurd to be believed.

 

[TheRevanchist25]

Because even in Stellaris, the idea of a fleet of ships so big as to completely block out the light from an entire galaxy is too absurd to be believed.

You realize a machine that blows up an entire galaxy and turns every star into black holes is just as absurd, yet you all have no issue believing that possibility.

 

[InvisibleBison]

You realize a machine that blows up an entire galaxy and turns every star into black holes is just as absurd, yet you all have no issue believing that possibility.

I literally just said that I don't find anything in the game to be as absurd as the idea that the Hole in the Void is caused by a fleet of ships blocking out the light from the missing galaxy.

 

[TheRevanchist25]

I literally just said that I don't find anything in the game to be as absurd as the idea that the Hole in the Void is caused by a fleet of ships blocking out the light from the missing galaxy.

Weather you believe that or not is irrelevant. The Nemesis Device is objectively just as absurd as that.

 

[InvisibleBison]

Weather you believe that or not is irrelevant. The Nemesis Device is objectively just as absurd as that.

Oh really? What sort of device did you use to measure the relative absurdity of the two concepts? Or are you just pretending that your opinion is fact?