"Holds close relatives hostage"

[Monkbel]

So I noticed that I can't go to war against my nephew, because apparently he "Holds your close relatives hostage". What is this about and how I can see whom he holds hostage?
I'm pretty sure he didn't imprison anyone. Also he is not educating anyone.

 

[TheUnspeakable]

If anyone with a red blood drop is in his court it will say this now.

 

[CaptainChiatrol]

So I noticed that I can't go to war against my nephew, because apparently he "Holds your close relatives hostage". What is this about and how I can see whom he holds hostage?
I'm pretty sure he didn't imprison anyone. Also he is not educating anyone.

The game can no longer tell in court apart from held hostage. Even if they came to court with you because you have a job in the court.

 

[Hackworthy]

If anyone with a red blood drop is in his court it will say this now.

Doesn't even have to be related dynastically, actually. My mother's sister was abducted by the Cuman Khan and that counted as a hostage from my family. It should NOT prevent you from declaring war. If I'm willing to let the relative in question be executed in retaliation then that is my decision to make. It would make much more since that you are warned of the fact and if you do declare war the relatives in question will be executed. Furthermore, the AI should only be willing to attack in that event if the character is Cruel, Arbitrary or hates the hostage.

 

[clockworkBabbag]

The game can no longer tell in court apart from held hostage. Even if they came to court with you because you have a job in the court.

This does make sense, seeing as the tooltip when you declare war with your courtiers or relatives in their court basically screams at you that "IF YOU DO THIS YOUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IMPRISONED/EXECUTED."

And again, that makes perfect sense. If someone gets a declaration of war, they're not necessarily going to let their new enemy's people just walk away.

 

[CaptainChiatrol]

This does make sense, seeing as the tooltip when you declare war with your courtiers or relatives in their court basically screams at you that "IF YOU DO THIS YOUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IMPRISONED/EXECUTED."

And again, that makes perfect sense. If someone gets a declaration of war, they're not necessarily going to let their new enemy's people just walk away.

I imagine I'd just leave the court with my family and it woudl be ok. Or since I'm declaring war on my brother he wouldn't kill his close relative as a hostage in order to kill my close relative.

 

[laevinus]

Yeah this sounds buggy and something that should be restricted to AI only.

 

[Blacksmurf]

this bug still not fixed ?

I m playing as a republic and I cant declare war for indepence nor start a faction and force it via that way.

I m basically forced to play as a freaking vassal my entire game now (or at least till the idiot in the king's court dies) so the bug dissapears ?


Jesus Paradox, do you guys even read the forum ?

 

[karlub]

Unsure to what degree this has been cleaned up, but I just noticed I was getting this message because *I* had a council position. As soon as I resigned, I could declare war again.

 

[Keizer Harm]

I noticed that it was that I was educating my heirs, while I was at a council position, so technically I had brought the kids I was educating to his court, which he now had as hostage. Resigning from the council is the easiest solution, since you are going to declare war at him anyway.

 

[DukeDayve]

This does make sense, seeing as the tooltip when you declare war with your courtiers or relatives in their court basically screams at you that "IF YOU DO THIS YOUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IMPRISONED/EXECUTED."

And again, that makes perfect sense. If someone gets a declaration of war, they're not necessarily going to let their new enemy's people just walk away.

Would they not? Despite my 1,300 hours played of Crusader Kings 2 my knowledge of this era (1066 - this game's end date) isn't great, but I was under the impression that most of the time nobility (especially those related to ruling monarchs) were usually treated quite nicely, even if they were prisoners in nasty wars.

 

[mjohnson85]

Would they not? Despite my 1,300 hours played of Crusader Kings 2 my knowledge of this era (1066 - this game's end date) isn't great, but I was under the impression that most of the time nobility (especially those related to ruling monarchs) were usually treated quite nicely, even if they were prisoners in nasty wars.

They certainly wouldn't just let them walk away. Ransoming, leverage, etc would be the options of choice.