It would be more impressive if it would not be misspelled...
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Hoi4 Units of Measurement
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What gets me, is that you Europeans don't realize the real reason that us Americans entered WWII. It was not to liberate Europe from the Nazi's or in response to the attack on Pearl Harbor. The real reason was that we decoded secret German and Japanese plans to force us to use the Metric system. And that, we could not tolerate...........
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Dear Sir, I didn´t ..... sniff .... realize that. It changes everything ! Please Paradox change it immediately, the world wide...uh...ah...whatever depends on it.
And now I´d like some freedom fries please^^
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crunch, crunch....... munch, munch.........crunch, crunch
*DING*
mmm more popcorn is ready............
go ahead boys don't let me interrupt I'm enjoying this
*DING*
mmm more popcorn is ready............
go ahead boys don't let me interrupt I'm enjoying this
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It's been enjoyable the entire time for me. I concur.
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I'm in agreement with the first thing. If it's easy please do it. It should be based on how I've seen it done on other games. It could be more difficult I don't know. The devs only know.
False. Projection. No one is being self-important. In fact the self important arguments are coming from Europeans who don't care about adding in a small option for Americans. It's in fact the other side acting all self-important. Getting huffy when a American ask for something to help it become more legible. I've explained why it doesn't really concern Europeans because of the nature of the request. It's not my fault people can't understand when they really have no say in a matter. Some can't swallow that down though. Furthermore American's are anything but a minority unless you comply all the nations together. I've already posted out the numbers. Secondly large groups of people in any game should be catered too or helped out if possible to be against that is silly and being very self important.
Lastly on the irrelevant thing I didn't just squak the word and out of all of what I said that's the least of my point. It was simply a tool to point out what someone was saying didn't matter or add value to the conversation. I gave out a variety of reasons and arguments behind that. Soooooo yeah. 10/10.
It certainly is entertaining seeing Europeans in there true colors against American's. Attacking them calling them creationist, thinking its stupid and totally moronic the system wanting to point out 'failures', making the same point over and over when it was refuted and handed many moons ago, and so on and so forth. At a certain point I'd think you'd have to laugh at yourself for getting so upty over someone making a modest and rather simply request. I guess it's hard to accept what buying power is? I certainly get no one's understood that argument or got it because I still have to rebuttal post like this.
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Guys
Metric is better.
Doesn't mean imperial shouldn't be ingame.
Implementation of imperial is ultra easy, unless paradox uses some weird stuff to make their game run. Don't change any variables and under the hood the game will run in metric. But it should literally take a couple of minutes to add /1.6 to the line of code that displays the distance/speed variable in the UI, and whatever weirdos use to measure temperature.
Metric is better.
Doesn't mean imperial shouldn't be ingame.
Implementation of imperial is ultra easy, unless paradox uses some weird stuff to make their game run. Don't change any variables and under the hood the game will run in metric. But it should literally take a couple of minutes to add /1.6 to the line of code that displays the distance/speed variable in the UI, and whatever weirdos use to measure temperature.
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You failed to notice that British were actually double agents, British were pretending to use Imperials while in secret they were heretical with metrics.
But i must say, "imperials" sounds endlessly better than "metrics". Lets just change "metrics" name to "Imperials" or something like that. Maybe "TheRomanRulers" would be great name?
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Glad to see that kind of humor in that thread where some guys takes everything definitely too seriously !
So much clichés... There's no need to turn that into an American-european war, this would be silly. You would loose it obviously. After all you stated earlier there are more americans buying PDX games than any other country ? Nice. Then there should be more americans on that forum too, right ?
So then if all these americans which are according to you very keen on using the imperial system are using that forum, why do you have a negativ ratio of "agree/disagree" ?
My point of view is there are more americans buying PDX games yes. And that they're not as you think that much interested in that old system.
By the way, you should stop that arrogant style of writting. It's not going to help you getting any friend, some guys even said before they would be upset to see the imperial system in game after your childish speech.
It sounds like a big cliché.
When I'm reading you, I can imagine Homer Simpson writting these things and shouting "USA USA USA !!!"
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Definetly you're trolling right ? You can't be serious ? You're saying so much stereotypical things it is drawing a very bad picture of your homeland.
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There wasn't a single cliche in what I posted. Come on. Dude. If it was a American European war its already over. the US won. Hello hegemony. (Bet that ruffles some feathers. He started it) Secondly no there shouldn't. A single forum topic, a single forum is not representative of Paradoxes entire community. To say that is pretty idiotic and very clearly someone trying to create a narrative. 0/10. Steam is a far more accurate representation of the people who play PI games. Your single topic proves nothing. Just that Europeans are easily upset if you utter the word Imperial. It's not like this is the first time I've noticed how anal retentive people get over this.Glad to see that kind of humor in that thread where some guys takes everything definitely too seriously !
So much clichés... There's no need to turn that into an American-european war, this would be silly. You would loose it obviously. After all you stated earlier there are more americans buying PDX games than any other country ? Nice. Then there should be more americans on that forum too, right ?
So then if all these americans which are according to you very keen on using the imperial system are using that forum, why do you have a negativ ratio of "agree/disagree" ?
My point of view is there are more americans buying PDX games yes. And that they're not as you think that much interested in that old system.
By the way, you should stop that arrogant style of writting. It's not going to help you getting any friend, some guys even said before they would be upset to see the imperial system in game after your childish speech.
It sounds like a big cliché.
When I'm reading you, I can imagine Homer Simpson writting these things and shouting "USA USA USA !!!"
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Definetly you're trolling right ? You can't be serious ? You're saying so much stereotypical things it is drawing a very bad picture of your homeland.
Secondly basing your views on disagree/agree bars...should state itself how foolish that is to say.
Thirdly no. You are just flat out wrong. Or don't understand how humans work. Being able to have the ability to easier understand something is something welcomed by all people. Should be self explanatory. More so you are ignoring a variety of people have posted saying hey this would be great. So it's not like it's just me. There are a quite a few people.
It isn't arrogance. Again projection. Congrats. The idea that because my group is large by some degree, I shouldn't care about other groups that are a deal smaller. Is not only arrogant but being a straight up dick.
(On I'm turning people off.)
A single person said that. I don't think you can indicate any of that. And all of this is really just ad hominem backed with the stuffing from a Teddy bear. It's childish. Stop personal attacks dude. Like is that all you can do. I find it funny you'd insult my writing. You can say whatever you want about my writing it just shows me you have nothing better to say and don't even understand how popularity works in the first place. It's a strange thing to say.
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No it's not. Show me some examples. That doesn't make any sense. And you know what's actually happened? Is it's been your side going METRIC METRIC METRIC. As you can see by the many post saying just convert, just deal with it. Who cares your side doesn't matter. And in your very own post. Again you are projecting.
(On his last line)
No. I'm not. Say somethings. Point some stuff out like I've done constantly. Instead of just claiming stuff and saying I'm painting a bad picture. Bring up some counter points to everything I've said. You've yet to do that but try and be a stereotypical European. I'm happy with what I say and I fully endorse every word I've posted. I'm not a coward or embarrassed of what I say. Because I'm proud to be a American. it really has nothing to do with this subject or what I've been saying. But I figured I'd mention it to tick you off. The only mentioning of Merica has been in me saying that it's a proportionally large group and explaining how that relates to buying power and how it is important because of the large group of people that are associated with that.
So instead of posting pointless comments, personal attacks, and illogical points. Try to have a discussion and not be a child when someone shows a point you made is moronic.
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With most of the key info out about the game, but without the game proper, I can understand how it's easy to get excited about something that's not really a core part of the HoI experience . Although, along those lines, it means I was silly enough to sit down and read a bunch of posts in at it as well .
I quite like to change the measurement system based on the measurement system used by the nation in question (immersion and all that) and totally agree. I switch between them in flight sims, racing sims and the like. Can be a bit dangerous if your forget which one and you're using km, think you're using miles and close to your stall speed.... Probably a good deal safer in HoI4.
Obviously, I don't know how the code is structured, but if it was possible to put in a conversion function before any stat was displayed (so if a stat is displayed, it's automatically converted), it'd be a one-off implementation and then it's done and dusted. It'd be different to implementing a language, and would be a bit of work (but I wouldn't expect a lot - but obviously can't say without seeing behind the curtains) to set up (although I'd expect less than translating for a language), and in the future would allow us to adopt Blorg standard measurements when they befriend us.
Not really in a HoI context though - we're generally making pretty basic comparisons, not doing physics.
. Although, along those lines, it means I was silly enough to sit down and read a bunch of posts in at it as well .I wouldn't mind such a setting myself. Something like "Metric", "Imperial" and a setting that shows knots, feet, etc. for aircraft and ships where applicable, and metric measurements like KPH for tanks and whatnot. Except maybe nautical miles, that would be confusing alongside kilometers
I quite like to change the measurement system based on the measurement system used by the nation in question (immersion and all that) and totally agree. I switch between them in flight sims, racing sims and the like. Can be a bit dangerous if your forget which one and you're using km, think you're using miles and close to your stall speed.... Probably a good deal safer in HoI4
.Obviously, I don't know how the code is structured, but if it was possible to put in a conversion function before any stat was displayed (so if a stat is displayed, it's automatically converted), it'd be a one-off implementation and then it's done and dusted. It'd be different to implementing a language, and would be a bit of work (but I wouldn't expect a lot - but obviously can't say without seeing behind the curtains) to set up (although I'd expect less than translating for a language), and in the future would allow us to adopt Blorg standard measurements when they befriend us
.Not really in a HoI context though - we're generally making pretty basic comparisons, not doing physics.
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Being from the great country of Texas I would also ask that the Texas Standard Measurement System be included.
1 Armadillo = 6 Inches - There are two armadillos in a foot and 10560 Armadillos in a mile.
1 Ford Truck = 17 ft
To put these in context the American M1 gun is a .5 Armadillo gun and a P51 has a top speed of 135 thousand Fords per hour.
Without these units of measurement there is no way I will be able to understand whats going on in the game.
Thanks Paradox
1 Armadillo = 6 Inches - There are two armadillos in a foot and 10560 Armadillos in a mile.
1 Ford Truck = 17 ft
To put these in context the American M1 gun is a .5 Armadillo gun and a P51 has a top speed of 135 thousand Fords per hour.
Without these units of measurement there is no way I will be able to understand whats going on in the game.
Thanks Paradox
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Please stop using the argument that it would be hard to implement, unless you have a background in programming, or insider engine information. You just sound silly.
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And all European languages (including English) have little or no logic compared with Esperanto,
but folks a'gonna' keep a'jabberin what they already knows, ain't they?
I'm thinkin' this thread done gone frazzled m'brain.
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That's a very entertaining video (no sarcasm, I loved it, a good laugh
) - but at no stage in the video does it suggest (beyond his throwaway line at the end) that it lacks in logic. Measurement systems are, by their nature, arbitrary. The metric system is definitely easier to work with (if Paradox made measurement games, everyone would complain that the metric system had been dumbed down because it was easier to use, even though the same things could be measured with it ), but both are as logical as each other, as far as I can tell.It's also worth keeping in mind that the imperial system had a number of measurement lengths based on things people were familiar with (feet and paces, for example) and while individual feet and paces weren't much good for precise measurements, having a handy 'rule of thumb' may well have made it more practical in a less literate and educated age.
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Well since you are so proud of your precious and "irrefutable" .... and longwinded ..... arguments, here are some of my own
You can twist and turn and rephrase your own data all day long, according to your own steam post of EUIV owners only a 30% minority are imperial users and the rest of the world/majority of 70% is metric. Simple Facts. Period.
UK officially turned to metric in 1965 ( Tjolmes post sounds like that they are a bit lazy about it, but still they did for the EU-entry ).
It has nothing to do with only Europeans you get that wrong, its about the whole world vs. the US Minority. see above.
Funny how you try to twist arguments "no im not self-important, but...but...but... the others are self-important because they refuse my WE US, WE MUCHO IMPORTANT thingy. Its a sort of kindergarden sandbox style but at least its entertaining. Again, yes if its a small thing, by all means have it but if its not a small thing then please don´t feel entitled to get it anyway.
This is off topic: Yeah funny how huffy sometimes foreigners get when the US asks for a special treatment....again...e.g. like not joining the international court of law, Guantanamo, the wholesale spying out of allies by NSA, reaction of the US when France and Germany didn´t join W.Bush´s little Iraq hobby project ( freedomfries, francestinks.com, germanystinks.com ), the little project itself .....duh.....but hey, you are always and ever the good guys, and never wrong, right ? What has this to do with a simple game ? Nothing, but still its the same old, same old, so perhaps thats why - I can only assume - it always comes up in these discussions regarding ´murican pecularities or indifference about what the rest of the world thinks.
Wrong, it was "invented" in 1799 during the french revolution and in 1875 the US even signed the "Treaty of the meter". More recently in 1975 US Congress passed the metric conversion act.
So many of your facts are ... disputable.....and sorry for ignoring the other big fluff and bluster in your posts, I don´t intend to write a book here.
You can twist and turn and rephrase your own data all day long, according to your own steam post of EUIV owners only a 30% minority are imperial users and the rest of the world/majority of 70% is metric. Simple Facts. Period.
UK officially turned to metric in 1965 ( Tjolmes post sounds like that they are a bit lazy about it, but still they did for the EU-entry ).
It has nothing to do with only Europeans you get that wrong, its about the whole world vs. the US Minority. see above.
Funny how you try to twist arguments "no im not self-important, but...but...but... the others are self-important because they refuse my WE US, WE MUCHO IMPORTANT thingy. Its a sort of kindergarden sandbox style but at least its entertaining. Again, yes if its a small thing, by all means have it but if its not a small thing then please don´t feel entitled to get it anyway.
This is off topic: Yeah funny how huffy sometimes foreigners get when the US asks for a special treatment....again...e.g. like not joining the international court of law, Guantanamo, the wholesale spying out of allies by NSA, reaction of the US when France and Germany didn´t join W.Bush´s little Iraq hobby project ( freedomfries, francestinks.com, germanystinks.com ), the little project itself .....duh.....but hey, you are always and ever the good guys, and never wrong, right ? What has this to do with a simple game ? Nothing, but still its the same old, same old, so perhaps thats why - I can only assume - it always comes up in these discussions regarding ´murican pecularities or indifference about what the rest of the world thinks.
Beautiful Example ! Yes I can explain that to you, the rest of the world adapted to international standards, in this case a language, because a common language makes sense. ´muricans could try that some time e.g. with a common measuring system like metric ( see conversion act of 1975 below).
Wrong, it was "invented" in 1799 during the french revolution and in 1875 the US even signed the "Treaty of the meter". More recently in 1975 US Congress passed the metric conversion act.
He wrote NASA ! Perhaps there is no difference nowadays but it should...
So many of your facts are ... disputable.....and sorry for ignoring the other big fluff and bluster in your posts, I don´t intend to write a book here.
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95% of those measurements I've hardly heard of before and never heard them used.
The only ones I care about and probably the only ones that would be used in this game are KPH - MPH and KM - Miles
Wow went from a discussion that also included humor, to one of hostility, name calling, and trolling.
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