Hoi4 Units of Measurement

[GermanPower]

As was said earlier as a Brit I would only use Imperial for a few things, someone's height and weight and miles (only for long distances). Actually I do use MPG as well but I actually have no idea what a galleon is. So metric is fine by me and the only measure in the game that actually causes me a bit of trouble is KPH as I'm more used to MPH. Though I don't think that is a major problem as 200KPH is faster then 100KPH is all you really need to know and we already do that for artificial constructs like Soft Attack, etc...

It's nothing like having all the text in the game in a language I can't or can barely understand.

It's...NOT.....about Europeans. I could careless about you. It has nothing to do with you. No one is advocating doing anything to you. It's about Americans a huge portion of Paradox sales....I would just like the option.

I like knowing how fast something actually is..it's the same reason people want Tiger Is instead of just a generic picture. Or I want stats on losses or something else. It's helpful and immersive.

And lastly I think you totally missed the point about the language comment. I don't like speaking for the guy but I think his point was. If you aren't going to be inclusive on this..what's the point in being inclusive on all the other things.

 

[Zaku]

If you ask the largest buying base of paradox games...........................Yes. So as for money worth. Certainly. It's catering to your largest audience.

900 KPH means little to me.

600 MPH I understand. It's hard to just undo that. To be honest this has nothing to do with Europeans/Non-US. Not sure why you guys care to comment in the first place.
It's about a entire section of fans just wanting something easier to understand and read.

Edit: I'm pretty confident most Americans would love this option assuming it's a easy task to do.

It's not hard to learn imperial/SI conversions. When I play an american game I can easily tell how much meters is 30 feet, or how fast 600mph is in real units of speed.

To be honest it should be the other way around, because the imperial system users are the minority on Earth.

 

[BobbyDylan]

If you ask the largest buying base of paradox games...........................Yes. So as for money worth. Certainly. It's catering to your largest audience.

900 KPH means little to me.

600 MPH I understand. It's hard to just undo that. To be honest this has nothing to do with Europeans/Non-US. Not sure why you guys care to comment in the first place.
It's about a entire section of fans just wanting something easier to understand and read.

Edit: I'm pretty confident most Americans would love this option assuming it's a easy task to do.

It's not complicated to do the math in your head, mate.

And since for most game the value is just used to represent a number on a screen / spedometer, and not in complex background calculations, I expect it's harder for PDS to do than mist expect.

 

[Daddl]

7 billion people use metric. Half a billion (or less) do not. Just like not any minority gets their own language officially supported, not any minority can have their own measurements. I know, thats something different. I just had to bash imperial somehow, thats how these discussions are supposed to work!

Seriously, metric is artificial as well (the ones who defined that a meter is a meter could have chosen any other length and said: Now, that is our meter!), but it just makes so much more sense if you don't have to memorize the values for a hundred conversions, doesn't it?

 

[GermanPower]

It's not hard to learn imperial/SI conversions. When I play an american game I can easily tell how much meters is 30 feet, or how fast 600mph is in real units of speed.

Glad for you. What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying you wouldn't prefer the option in those American games?

 

[Zaku]

Glad for you. What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying you wouldn't prefer the option in those American games?

The point is: Learn the SI system because you will make good use of it, just as I make good use of the imperial.

 

[Imminentstorm]

I have been trying to use metric more in my daily life. But as a natural born American, its like trying to throw a ball with my non-dominant hand (left in my case). Sure with practice I could get workable throwing with my left it but I will always be much more natural throwing with my right.

Oddly enough it was Minecraft that really helped me getting my head around distance measures, with the game being essentially a giant 1 meter grid. And thank Kerbal Space Program for helping with speeds...though I am now much more comfortable with meters per second than kilometers per hour....

 

[Tjolme]

7 billion people use metric. Half a billion (or less) do not. Just like not any minority gets their own language officially supported, not any minority can have their own measurements. I know, thats something different. I just had to bash imperial somehow, thats how these discussions are supposed to work!

It would be nice if more games had English (UK) as a language option, but these days they very rarely bother. They force us to choose English (US).

As Oscar Wilde claimed that "the Americans and the British are identical in all respects except, of course, their language"

 

[RELee]

yeah those of us that can do complex math and not just factors of 10 will do so

Murica, by God!

 

[BobbyDylan]

Well, since the US military uses the metric system, and this is a military game, I think that's the end of story.

 

[GermanPower]

@Zaku I learned the metric system in middle school as I assume every American did. I use it frequently in college as every American does. That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't even say why what's been suggested is wrong. Your statement still has no reason why it shouldn't exist if it's a easy thing to do. No one's saying if it's a painstaking process do it. Saying if it's something that can be added in please add it in. Don't act like you wouldn't prefer a option to switch from Imperial to Si in these American games.

@bobby No one is saying it is. I know the ratio's I'm aware. That doesn't matter or provide any argument for why it shouldn't exist. Your second line is fair enough. If it'd be a difficult process I certainly don't want it to change. However if it's something that can be easily added in...please do this for what will potentially be 30% of your sales.

@Daddl No it doesn't make much more sense. My brain isn't configured in SI. Yours is. Mine is configured in Imperial. So when someone says to me it's 10 meters over there...my brain goes what. I then need to do some multiplying and hope I'm right because the figures convert in 2.2521213213231413323. It's a aesthetic thing and it's just nice and comfortable. Secondly

That should rebuttal sufficiently. Funny those two top countries. Funny. Only 370 million, huh? Only.

You SI people really aren't putting forth any good arguments but it might be hard to do. It's certainly enjoyable to wait for the replies.

 

[Gort11]

I don't think that picture helps your argument as much as you think it does.

 

[Zaku]

You SI people really aren't putting forth any good arguments but it might be hard to do. It's certainly enjoyable to wait for the replies.

We are not arguing. We are just telling you why it is not included in the game.

 

[RELee]

Since EU was the founding PDS game, all games should use the predominant measurement system in-place in 1492. Now debate is over.

 

[BobbyDylan]

@Zaku

@bobby No one is saying it is. I know the ratio's I'm aware. That doesn't matter or provide any argument for why it shouldn't exist. Your second line is fair enough. If it'd be a difficult process I certainly don't want it to change. However if it's something that can be easily added in...please do this for what will potentially be 30% of your sales.


You SI people really aren't putting forth any good arguments but it might be hard to do. It's certainly enjoyable to wait for the replies.

TBH, If it's a simple thing to add, I think fair enough, I see no problem with it. I just think that because of the mathematical nature of the game it may end up being a lot more complex than a simple representation on the screen.

 

[Zaku]

Since EU was the founding PDS game, all games should use the predominant measurement system in-place in 1492. Now debate is over.

Give me a quire of oil for 2 and a half votmels of steel

 

[RELee]

Give me a quire of oil for 2 and a half votmels of steel

NOW you're talking sense!

 

[GermanPower]

Well, since the US military uses the metric system, and this is a military game, I think that's the end of story.

Since this is a world war 2 game and the metric units didn't exist then it(metric) shouldn't be in the game at all. The point is a argument for easy of use and comfort. You are missing why someone would want it added. It's not for authenticity.

@Zaku I awfully feel that's not what is happening. It seems more people don't want it added period. Which is silly and dumb. The only credible thing I've heard is it might be too hard. If it is then I don't want it in the game. Simple enough. The points aren't "I see no problem with it. I just think that because of the mathematical nature of the game it may end up being a lot more complex than a simple representation on the screen." Bobby. They are "It's not hard to convert. It's easy! Imperial system is dumb"

@Gort11 Care to explain? It works about the same as Europe Multiparty systems

 

[Gort11]

Because it shows that there are fewer players from metric countries than from non-metric countries, and that 100% of players are from countries that should be using the metric system.

 

[GermanPower]

Because it shows that there are fewer players from metric countries than from non-metric countries, and that 100% of players are from countries that should be using the metric system.

My brain did a flip. Very confused. The largest minority is the US and there's only minorities so I guess that'd make the US a majority as a nation. If you lump together the UK who still uses it to a degree I believe..it becomes a real majority, I wouldn't do that but you could. If you lump Metric v Imperial its 46 percent to 30 Percent v OTHER. So my point is it's a rather large number of gamers using the Imperial system. Not some small group of people that few are trying to point out because China and India use the metric system.

Edit: There's a reason the English speaking part of the forum gets the most clicks and post and views.