HOI4 Q1

[Raptor83]

Battlefield 4 release edition wants a talk with you.

Didnt have any perfomance issues with it.... and like I said, from WWWs it looks like performance is OK and devs said the same about stability. So from my impression, its nw down to bug fixing + ballancing, unles they are redoing some game features (tanks driving on fairy dust etc.).

 

[Raptor83]

But the QA team thinks otherwise.
They rejected the last beta because the performance was bad. (and it didn't have a tutorial, but that's an other matter)

Performance was "not good enough" - that doesnt look like massive performance problem + I would rather have game now, running slightly (10-15%) slower, than to have it delayed further 3+ months.

Good UI is for me much higher priority, than a few % performance difference.

 

[Zaku]

Performance wa "not good enough" - that doesnt look like massive performance problem + I would rather have game now, running slightly (10-15%) slower, than to have it delayed forther 3+ months.

Good UI is for me much higher priority, than a few % performance difference.

Yep, and we go back to where I disagreed with you, because I think a well optimized game is the core of everything.
You assume the game is basically finished but the truth is that it is in alpha/pre-beta stage. Unoptimized and buggy.

 

[Raptor83]

Yep, and we go back to where I disagreed with you, because I think a well optimized game is the core of everything.
You assume the game is basically finished but the truth is that it is in alpha/pre-beta stage. Unoptimized and buggy.

Performance and stability appears to be OK and if game is still so buggy (or have broken features), that it cannot even get to Beta, IMO Paradox should have assigned more resources to it ages ago - they are no longer company of 10-15 people, so they should handle such projects better.

 

[Zaku]

Performance and stability appears to be OK

Sigh.

Again, beta got rejected(partly) because of slow performance.
Let me quote Podcat if you don't belive me.

yes, build was a bit too slow and our tutorial wasnt complete yet

 

[gamedude]

Didnt have any perfomance issues with it.... and like I said, from WWWs it looks like performance is OK and devs said the same about stability. So from my impression, its nw down to bug fixing + ballancing, unles they are redoing some game features (tanks driving on fairy dust etc.).

BF4 was a mess, laggy servers, OP weapons and shit tickrates 3rd rate servers.
The thing they are working on is the UI fixes, on WW there was loads of UI breaking stuff when Johan tried to open some menus and such. Then there is also balancing and art reworks. You don't want the BT-7 tanks be the new tiger tanks and such. Then there is AI balancing and fixes for that so its 100% optimized so you can't exploit it.
Clauswitz engine isn't flawless, any editing can break the perofrmance.

 

[Raptor83]

Sigh.

Beta got rejected because of slow performance.

"bit too slow" just doesnt look like massive difference to me. Tutorial is different thing, but I dont see why that couldnt be done during Beta.

 

[Zaku]

"bit too slow" just doesnt look like massive difference to me. Tutorial is different thing, but I dont see why that couldnt be done during Beta.

So why are you so stubborn?
Did you test HOI4? Are you doing QA at PDS? Because it's them who decides if the build is fast enough or not for a beta. We don't actually know how the performance of hoi4 is, but they do.
And it seems like they think it's not good enough.

 

[Raptor83]

BF4 was a mess, laggy servers, OP weapons and shit tickrates 3rd rate servers.
The thing they are working on is the UI fixes, on WW there was loads of UI breaking stuff when Johan tried to open some menus and such. Then there is also balancing and art reworks. You don't want the BT-7 tanks be the new tiger tanks and such. Then there is AI balancing and fixes for that so its 100% optimized so you can't exploit it.
Clauswitz engine isn't flawless, any editing can break the perofrmance.

1. we were talking about performance

2. Ballancing and bugs are usually dealt with in Beta. Beta usually starts, when software is "feature complete".

 

[Raptor83]

So why are you so stubborn?
Did you test HOI4? Are you doing QA at PDS? Because it's them who decides if the build is fast enough or not for a beta, not me or you.

I am sharing my opinion. I agree that none of us have 100% facts, but I dont see that as a reason not to say what I think.

If PI shared info about status of the game better, we wouldnt be specualting about this (we dont need to know details, but getting regular status update (every 1-2 months) would help a lot, IMO.

 

[gamedude]

1. we were talking about performance

2. Ballancing and bugs are usually dealt with in Beta. Beta usually starts, when software is "feature complete".

Still though, the whole game relies on CPU power and the AI can be wonky causing performance issues.

 

[Shade205]

2. Ballancing and bugs are usually dealt with in Beta. Beta usually starts, when software is "feature complete".

And this is the problem. We are over a year delay at this point and it's not feature complete?

 

[Raptor83]

Yes. The "it's done when it's done statement" will only work for so long before it gets annoying and tedious. At some point in time we have to stop saying "Who cares when it comes out, as long as it's good" and start saying "Pick up the pase Paradox." Not now, but soon.

And you're right @mdw1985, they need to work on information. I mean they could just grab a model forum goer and tell him to make announcements every once in awhile. It can't be that hard. I can cut paradox some slack, but there's only so much I can do.

I agree.*


*post "stolen" from another thread.

 

[Agilent]

This game was announced to us almost 2 years ago and it's still in Alpha, my god how difficult can tutorial and fixing a few performance issues be... I'd rather have the game out with a few bugs and running a bit slower by Q1 instead of waiting more months...

 

[RJL518]

A Hearts of Iron game is never late...nor is it early...it arrives PRECISELY when it means to.

 

[LordOfWar16]

This game was announced to us almost 2 years ago and it's still in Alpha, my god how difficult can tutorial and fixing a few performance issues be... I'd rather have the game out with a few bugs and running a bit slower by Q1 instead of waiting more months...

You dont even know what the issues are. Mid 1943 the performance could drasticly drop and the game could get constantly noticeably slower. A "few bugs" arent the reason to delay the start of an beta, because that is the exact point of an beta. Johan and Jakob were concerned the game could crash mid-livestream aswell.

I rather have an smooth experience and wait another 4 months or so rather than ending up with something like Battlefield 3 and 4 or Batman: Arkham Knight.

 

[Agilent]

You dont even know what the issues are. Mid 1943 the performance could drasticly drop and the game could get constantly noticeably slower. A "few bugs" arent the reason to delay the start of an beta, because that is the exact point of an beta. Johan and Jakob were concerned the game could crash mid-livestream aswell.

I rather have an smooth experience and wait another 4 months or so rather than ending up with something like Battlefield 3 and 4 or Batman: Arkham Knight.

"Could", you don't even know what the issues hypocrite. HOI4 is no way related to Battlefield or Batman: Arkham Knight, using what we have seen the game runs well.

 

[Zaku]

Why wont the people who say "i want an optimized game" just wait and let the people who have good computers (not patatoes like themselves) play the game :| i dont want to wait for people who play on calculators fucking upgrade instead of makeing us wait :C

Yeah, I have a 4790K, with 970GTX.
Wouldn't call it a "patato", but I would still rather wait for a well optimized game.
Besides, stop being so arrogant.

 

[mdw1985]

Why wont the people who say "i want an optimized game" just wait and let the people who have good computers (not patatoes like themselves) play the game :| i dont want to wait for people who play on calculators fucking upgrade instead of makeing us wait :C

Seriously??? Everyone should have the chance to play the game, when it is released. And i say that having a brand new gaming notebook...

 

[dadiman260]

Seriously??? Everyone should have the chance to play the game, when it is released. And i say that having a brand new gaming notebook...

if u bought a gameing notebook u fail at the gameing part :| laptops that are for gameing are a myth unless u spend twice the amount u would have to pay for a pc