HOI4 Oak 1.4.1 BETA patch [checksum: 73d8] **UPDATED 26/6**
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I get an error from the CZE nat focus tree:
[effect.cpp:162]: Error: "Malformed token: CZE_german_leanings, near line: 2242
" in file: "common/national_focus/czechoslovakia.txt" near line: 2242
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Nevermind I had a modded folder
[effect.cpp:162]: Error: "Malformed token: CZE_german_leanings, near line: 2242
" in file: "common/national_focus/czechoslovakia.txt" near line: 2242
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Nevermind I had a modded folder
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Dont know about those small fleets, but playing italy with the 1.4/1.4.1 patch i see lots of destroyers dying, because they always storm the enemy and get in range of enemy BS/CA long before their own capitals get into range. So even in a fight of a big fleet with capitals and destroyers vs. a fleet with only capitals, destroyers are dying a lot without actually doing anything because they just drive into range of the enemy and get destroyed instead of just waiting/defending they're own capital ships. This leads to pretty much losing all destroyers in a short time while still having lots of capitals.
Cant remember seeing it so extreme in earlier patches.
Has anyone else played as the Raj? I ask because I am not sure about being able to both go fascist and the two country theory. Any help would be nice, especially from devs. 
- tactical bombers can now pick the naval strike mission( Latest BETA patch notes)
YES finally
YES finally
- tactical bombers can now pick the naval strike mission( Latest BETA patch notes)
YES finally
Tacs are now truely the jack of all trades! Quite nice honestly!
Did you fix the not working Munich Agreement for CZE/GB/Allies, where the guarantees of GB/FR for CZE persist, even if they decide not to support CZE in the Agreement, leading to a war Allies vs. Germany in 1938, if CZE refuses to give up Sudetenland? Can't see a fix in the patchlog.
The other problem, as I mentioned somewhere else (I thought I had answered this question before in this thread, but w/e), is that the initial starting USN OOB is in administrative divisions (so, things like the Second Battleship Division, First Carrier Division, DESRONs etc), and not an operational organization. The AI doesn't know how to modify this, and so you wind up with Carriers unescorted, etc. Short of encouraging PDX to figure out how the ships were actually organized in their respective task forces or telling the AI to first look for available ships in other "unbalanced" fleet groups, this isn't going to get fixed.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who immediately just combines their starting fleets and airforces into big buckets then parcels them out to where they're needed. For players such as me (and possibly the AI, don't know what they do exactly) the effort that goes into historical deployments of forces is completely lost.
If I may make a request, please, please don't put patch notes inside quote tags. The quote box reduces the font size of the text inside, and italicizes it as well. This makes it very difficult to read, to the point where I need to copy/paste it to an external text editor to read it. As an alternative, the spoiler tags also keep the text inside from stretching out the page, but without distorting the formatting.
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Also, the quote tags prevent people from quoting the text within directly, so people need to copy paste individual lines if they want to quote them.
Now that tactical bombers can naval strike, I kinda wish naval bombers were rolled into them. You could have an air-dropped torpedo tech to buff up their naval strike capability.
Dunno how i should post this, didn't start this gaming with the intention of doing it so i'll give an overall and then single out the main issues:
I gave the full 5 ticks to Germany and Italy only, then decided NOT to expand at all while playing with the USSR, nothing, just send volunteers to Spain and China.
Poland formed its alliance, Romania joined and then Poland gave in and surrendered Danzig, "interesting" i thought, France was completely overrun by Germany (although they did attacked the maginot, they pushed very quickly through the low countries) Hungary formed an alliance with Italy... "ok" i thought, Germany will still be very strong, when i noticed that southern France was held by the allies, basically an unbuffed UK and it held it for years... so much so that Germany went full retard, closed its economy and had scraping the barrel, over 11 million men left over in the pool, completely unnecessary move when it had over 200 military and civilian factories, they didn't do the M-R pact nor did they attack Miedzymorze so i was completely safe and could continue to expand my industry.
Then in like 42' they do the M-R pact and DON'T attack Poland, by then i was bored as hell so i overran Miedzymorze and honored the pact... months later they declared war but were so weak, had no airforce that pure infantry was enough to push them back and, most of their army was not
Main issues:
Germany doesn't take advantage of the massive amount of factories it gains through the conquest of Europe, independent of tactics.
Germany abandons the northern "berlin" front, and keeps doing suicidal, brute-force attacks.
Germany builds very few tank divisions for a 200 MIC nation in 39'.
Spain suicidally joined the Allies while Germany had just finished conquering France.
Italy doesn't know what to do when the pact of Rome forms.
Germany doesn't know what to do if Poland gives up Danzig.
Romania AI seems to pick focuses at random from its open tree.
Hungary manpower issue apparently fixed.
Poland doesn't build a large enough industry or army even by 1943'
UK randomly attacks nations.
Hope it helps.
I gave the full 5 ticks to Germany and Italy only, then decided NOT to expand at all while playing with the USSR, nothing, just send volunteers to Spain and China.
Poland formed its alliance, Romania joined and then Poland gave in and surrendered Danzig, "interesting" i thought, France was completely overrun by Germany (although they did attacked the maginot, they pushed very quickly through the low countries) Hungary formed an alliance with Italy... "ok" i thought, Germany will still be very strong, when i noticed that southern France was held by the allies, basically an unbuffed UK and it held it for years... so much so that Germany went full retard, closed its economy and had scraping the barrel, over 11 million men left over in the pool, completely unnecessary move when it had over 200 military and civilian factories, they didn't do the M-R pact nor did they attack Miedzymorze so i was completely safe and could continue to expand my industry.
Then in like 42' they do the M-R pact and DON'T attack Poland, by then i was bored as hell so i overran Miedzymorze and honored the pact... months later they declared war but were so weak, had no airforce that pure infantry was enough to push them back and, most of their army was not
Main issues:
Germany doesn't take advantage of the massive amount of factories it gains through the conquest of Europe, independent of tactics.
Germany abandons the northern "berlin" front, and keeps doing suicidal, brute-force attacks.
Germany builds very few tank divisions for a 200 MIC nation in 39'.
Spain suicidally joined the Allies while Germany had just finished conquering France.
Italy doesn't know what to do when the pact of Rome forms.
Germany doesn't know what to do if Poland gives up Danzig.
Romania AI seems to pick focuses at random from its open tree.
Hungary manpower issue apparently fixed.
Poland doesn't build a large enough industry or army even by 1943'
UK randomly attacks nations.
Hope it helps.
So the latest update mentions bombers targetting multiple ground targets instead of 1 per wing.
Dos this means we can just drop a stack of 1000 cas on ground attack in a region and they'll divide and conquer appropriately on their own?
Dos this means we can just drop a stack of 1000 cas on ground attack in a region and they'll divide and conquer appropriately on their own?
@SteelVolt - as promised, here are the saves from multiple points from a couple of hands-off runs (this morning, based on the latest build - checksum 73d8 at the launcher, although I'm playing with debug on, so menu checksum is 901c) . GER1 saw considerable Maginot attacking. GER2 was much better behaved, but there were still a handful of attacks that weren't particularly sensible use of force, including one after BEL and HOL were in the game, and GER was making good progress through the low countries . The save file names should give a pretty good clue as to what they represent - GER1 are saves from the first German game, GER2 from the second. The sequences in chronological order for both are:
GER1 Pre-war
GER1 Maginot attacking
GER1 2nd Maginot Thrust
GER1 Maginot after HOL and BEL in war
GER2 Pre-war
GER2 training pre-war
GER2 - Maginot assault 1
GER2 - Maginot post-BEL HOL in war
GER 1 screenshots of 'points of interest':
GER2 screenshots of 'points of interest':
One thing I noticed that's worth highlighting is that that in GER2 most of Germany's army for the attack on Poland was training pretty much up to the declaration of war, leaving them at low org when war broke out (see the save GER2 training pre-war - GER2 pre-war precedes this chronologically if you need a "before" save, and the Maginot saves are all "after"). I'm not sure if this happened in GER1 - I wasn't looking for it, and only noticed it by chance in GER2.
I hope that helps. Not in any way criticising, HoI4's AI is getting much better with each iteration, and I understand it's an incredibly complex job - just data in case it helps getting things even better.
Great work and great fixes. The above three are my highlights . Qn, if easy to answer - does the last mean that there's no more 'optimal' sized CAS/TAC air wing any more (ie, would 600 CAS in a region attack the same amount of ground targets whether they were in one wing of 600 or sixty wings of ten, or anywhere in-between?)
In my experience, the AI re-arranges its fleets as it likes them at the start of the game, and the starting OOB has no impact except on what these fleets are called. I just did a quick human_ai run with the US for a couple of weeks to see what it did, and it builds balanced fleets and doesn't leave unescorted carriers (see pics in spoiler below). I think what you're seeing isn't an OOB thing, but that later in the game, AI fleets tend to get very splintered, and that this can result in fleets of very small numbers of ships, which if the right composition of small fleets doesn't come together in a battle, can leave carriers and BBs unescorted, and similar. That second thing is an 'educated guess' though, and could be off.
That said, I do think having fleets arranged in operational rather than administrative divisions at game start is a good thing. Just not that it's affecting the AI.
GER1 Pre-war
GER1 Maginot attacking
GER1 2nd Maginot Thrust
GER1 Maginot after HOL and BEL in war
GER2 Pre-war
GER2 training pre-war
GER2 - Maginot assault 1
GER2 - Maginot post-BEL HOL in war
GER 1 screenshots of 'points of interest':
This is a look at one of the less sensible attacks, in case it helps.
This is GER1's first maginot assault (I'm pretty sure), with HOL and BEL still out of the war. This is almost definitely the save GER1 Maginot attacking.
This is GER1's first maginot assault (I'm pretty sure), with HOL and BEL still out of the war. This is almost definitely the save GER1 Maginot attacking.
GER2 screenshots of 'points of interest':
GER did a great job swinging through the low countries in this one.
There weren't many Maginot attacks in GER2 after HOL and BEL were in the game, but this one still looked unnecessary (particularly given the thrust through HOL and BEL). This is almost definitely GER2 Maginot post-BEL HOL in war (sorry, memory's wobbling).
A large maginot assault, but before HOL and BEL are in the game (this is GER2 - Maginot assault 1)
This is the odd training situation outcome - at the start of war with POL, a large group of divisions is kicking things off with very low org (this is either or very shortly after GER2 - training pre-war)
There weren't many Maginot attacks in GER2 after HOL and BEL were in the game, but this one still looked unnecessary (particularly given the thrust through HOL and BEL). This is almost definitely GER2 Maginot post-BEL HOL in war (sorry, memory's wobbling).
A large maginot assault, but before HOL and BEL are in the game (this is GER2 - Maginot assault 1)
This is the odd training situation outcome - at the start of war with POL, a large group of divisions is kicking things off with very low org (this is either or very shortly after GER2 - training pre-war)
One thing I noticed that's worth highlighting is that that in GER2 most of Germany's army for the attack on Poland was training pretty much up to the declaration of war, leaving them at low org when war broke out (see the save GER2 training pre-war - GER2 pre-war precedes this chronologically if you need a "before" save, and the Maginot saves are all "after"). I'm not sure if this happened in GER1 - I wasn't looking for it, and only noticed it by chance in GER2.
I hope that helps. Not in any way criticising, HoI4's AI is getting much better with each iteration, and I understand it's an incredibly complex job - just data in case it helps getting things even better
.Great work and great fixes
. The above three are my highlights . Qn, if easy to answer - does the last mean that there's no more 'optimal' sized CAS/TAC air wing any more (ie, would 600 CAS in a region attack the same amount of ground targets whether they were in one wing of 600 or sixty wings of ten, or anywhere in-between?)In my experience, the AI re-arranges its fleets as it likes them at the start of the game, and the starting OOB has no impact except on what these fleets are called. I just did a quick human_ai run with the US for a couple of weeks to see what it did, and it builds balanced fleets and doesn't leave unescorted carriers (see pics in spoiler below). I think what you're seeing isn't an OOB thing, but that later in the game, AI fleets tend to get very splintered, and that this can result in fleets of very small numbers of ships, which if the right composition of small fleets doesn't come together in a battle, can leave carriers and BBs unescorted, and similar. That second thing is an 'educated guess' though, and could be off.
That said, I do think having fleets arranged in operational rather than administrative divisions at game start is a good thing
. Just not that it's affecting the AI.
Just played one MP game as England with the latest update to the beta and found this to be a nice change. It helps un-clutter the production menus when you can just mark inferior base types as obsolete.
Nice, hopefully this makes TAC a bit more popular.
Nice changes again.
Wasn't the idea that it won't stick because the country buying the license won't build it as well as the original country? I guess this was deemed too confusing.
Btw might want to consider moving the Australian and Canadian fighter focuses down a bit in their focus trees. Right now England can get 1944 fighters very early in MP by doing a bit of licensing with its minors. IIRC it goes so that CAN gets FTR 2, AST buys the license, gets FTR 3 and then ENG buys the license from AST.
@podcat I have found an issue with the tank designer. I picked Henschel for tank designer, but the tool tip for my tanks in production shows Porsche.
Update: When I loaded the game this morning, both showed Henschel. Not sure what happened here.
Update: When I loaded the game this morning, both showed Henschel. Not sure what happened here.
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Ran a new test game with the latest build (73d8 - nice changes!)
Still seeing these issues:
1) ai Italy is repeatedly Improving Relations with Bulgaria after it finishes the bulgaria_friend focus. This yo-yoing in and out of improving prevents Italy from having the PP to change conscription laws when needed or purchase new ministers.
See this bug report: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...roving-relations-w-bul.1032367/#post-23013394
2) ai Nat Spain joins Axis as soon as WT hits 100% with no German Spain focus choice and while still having the spirit Recovering from Civil War.
See this bug report: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...in-joins-axis-as-soon-as-wt-hits-100.1032383/
3) Independent Croatia forms as soon as Germany declares war on Yugoslavia, breaking German offensive orders and causing German to cease attacking Yugoslavia.
See this bug report: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...war-on-yug-breaking-ger-front-orders.1032392/
4) Portugal is changing to Limited Exports, hurting itself and removing almost 100 tungsten from the open market which screws the Axis, especially Germany.
See ths bug report: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...hanging-trade-law-to-limited-exports.1032477/
5) ai Japan is not making Marine divisions at all despite being at war with Allies.
See this bug report: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1-4-1-73d8-japan-not-buiding-marines.1032481/
#1 is huge because Italy can't replace losses and can't build new divisions.
#2 usually means the Med becomes an Axis lake because the UK can't defend the Rock in 1940 without doing it's fortification focus.
#3 just screws up the Yugoslav war, how badly depends on whether the Allies support. in an MP game is suspect this issue could be badly abused.
#4 harms Germany because it relies on Portugese tungsten to build armor once it is at war with Russia.
#5 Japan would be much better off using Marines to invade with instead of basic Infantry, not to mention the benefits they provide fighting along the Chinese rivers.
While Meglok works on things of weight and substance, I kicked off a new game as Hungary today, and in the focus tree, in the air force section (on the bottom row of options), there are two NFs entitled (at least in English) Cas Focus and Tac Focus, and they just look a little funny to me. Definitely disregard if you disagree, but they might look cleaner as CAS Focus (as CAS is an acronym), and "Tactical Bomber Focus" (it looks like there should be room). Totally non-vital, also subjective, just mentioning in case it helps .
Edit: Actually found a bug where there's something screwy going on with the display of the numbers of aircraft in airwings - it's posted in the bug forum, here, but mentioning in this thread as well, as if it's relatively common, then it's a potentially not-so-nice one. If it's just one of those weird edge cases, then all good.
.Edit: Actually found a bug where there's something screwy going on with the display of the numbers of aircraft in airwings - it's posted in the bug forum, here, but mentioning in this thread as well, as if it's relatively common, then it's a potentially not-so-nice one. If it's just one of those weird edge cases, then all good
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