HOI4 - Development Diary - October 12th 2016
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You have to press TAB while drawing the offensive line. That cycles the arrows base through all available front lines/offensive lines. It's still a hassle, so personally, I prefer the "outlining your path with the offensive line" approach, though.
All the red x's made me laugh... really guys? All you have to do is not buy the expansion. Or are the disagrees because you all think these features should be handed to you for free?
Look people, opinions; everyone has them. Your opinion may be that "Blitz" should just be how battle plans work by default. That may just be my opinion as well.
But we need to be realistic in our desires and expectations from an entity who's sole existence is centered around making financial profits.
It seems that everyone forgets that Paradox is a business, and financial gain is their main concern above all else.
Not saying i agree with that, but i can at least acknowledge the fact.
Once you accept the facts, things like this are much easier to process and understand.
I don't feel like any amount of complaining will change their mind, but i cant say i'd be upset to be proven wrong about that.
edit; 12 disagree that Paradox is a business that exists to make money? lmao.
Look people, opinions; everyone has them. Your opinion may be that "Blitz" should just be how battle plans work by default. That may just be my opinion as well.
But we need to be realistic in our desires and expectations from an entity who's sole existence is centered around making financial profits.
It seems that everyone forgets that Paradox is a business, and financial gain is their main concern above all else.
Not saying i agree with that, but i can at least acknowledge the fact.
Once you accept the facts, things like this are much easier to process and understand.
I don't feel like any amount of complaining will change their mind, but i cant say i'd be upset to be proven wrong about that.
edit; 12 disagree that Paradox is a business that exists to make money? lmao.
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Glad I bought the basic version of this game. I agree that if they put a lot of resources into adding a feature (regardless if it should have been in the release or not) they can charge whatever they want. However, as a consumer I can disagree with my wallet. Last Paradox game for me.
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So let me summarize. You released the game in a very, very sorry state:
air combat is broken, naval warfare is shallow as a pool, AI is a mess and barely works at all, battle planner is just an infantry spam and a go button, difficulty is completely f* up (you can conquer the WORLD as Italy on your first try while still learsning the games mechanics), the game just starts crawling from 1942 onwards, very few idea trees.
You release 2 "major" patches. How many of said problems were solved? Maybe air warfare is a little bit better, AI is slightly better but still incredibly bad
And now your DLCs machine starts rolling in, bringing to the table new paid features like...having battle plans actually behave like some kind of plan?
Your policy is becoming more and more disgusting.
air combat is broken, naval warfare is shallow as a pool, AI is a mess and barely works at all, battle planner is just an infantry spam and a go button, difficulty is completely f* up (you can conquer the WORLD as Italy on your first try while still learsning the games mechanics), the game just starts crawling from 1942 onwards, very few idea trees.
You release 2 "major" patches. How many of said problems were solved? Maybe air warfare is a little bit better, AI is slightly better but still incredibly bad
And now your DLCs machine starts rolling in, bringing to the table new paid features like...having battle plans actually behave like some kind of plan?
Your policy is becoming more and more disgusting.
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HOI4 release was probably one of the best and most stable in PDS history, but this forum has been overwhelmingly negative to a large degree since release (and was also very negative the week before release when a lot of other gaming communities were very positive as they watched streamers etc play). Its something I think partly is legacy of HOI3 release, partly our fault for managing communication less than optimal, and partly because well, HOI players are HOI players. We will need to work together to overcome this stuff, because its not fun for us or you with such a climate on the forum. payed or not aside people have spent 99% of their energy in this thread on being negative, posting ultimatums and critic. Now, to clarify there is nothing wrong with speaking your mind and giving constructive critic, and has sent a clear message, *but* the fact that there is no talk about the actual features is sadly not so surprising and pretty depressing. Its pretty clear the current community climate only really accepts negative opinions which is driving away a lot of people who are having a good time.
You are one truly sanctimonious, condescending individual.
Maybe we are mad because of key, fundamental mechanics being in an unplayable state?
Maybe we are mad because you do not respond to the bug reports that people put a lot of effort into laying out these issues.
You do know that naval, due to carrier and air related issues, is currently completely broken and trying to play nations like the UK, Japan, USA etc just leave you feeling like you have wasted your time. Why invest in doctrine when doctrines are irrelevant compared to the number of carrier planes you have in reserve, because carriers replenish planes during combat?
How about how naval bombers cannot seem to be able to sink convoys or how the wing size bug still has not been dealt with?
What about how 1940 naval bombers are equal in air to air combat ability to 1940 fighters?
What point is there in me playing this game AT ALL if the above issues remain unresolved?
MAYBE we are mad because you CONTINUE to ignore these issues and instead have just squat - dumped this blatant cash grab of a DLC onto your (previous) supporters chests AND THEN have the balls to tell us that we are "being negative", "aren't representative of your customer base" and essentially telling us to STFU and fawn over the glorious brownlog you just took on our chests like the drooling, cashed up sycophants we are.
Address these problems like we have been asking you to SINCE RELEASE, then you may force-feed us a BS DLC to keep your shareholders happy and receiving dividends.
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Just because they don't respond to bug reports doesn't mean they ignore bug reports.
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I'm sorry, but I am not sure if this is sarcasm or not
also since this is moving fast, I have recognized the feedback here. check my post last page
Just ignore the whiners... They just come here and whine because they have nothing better to do. No one was ever forced to buy HoI4 originally, and no one will be forced to buy the DLC.
I bet many people who complain here didn't even have the patience to WAIT to see what was really up with this game when it was released, they just bought it on day 1, then started complaining on day 1.
To players who feel "cheated": it was YOUR decision to buy this game. If you're not happy with it then the fault is entirely your own, no ifs ands or but's. Accept the fact that YOU made a poor decision for yourself. Stop trying to place blame on a company that you CHOSE to buy a game from. If you're so unhappy, stop playing HoI4, and stop buying paradox games.
There really is no logical argument against that, period. How is it someone else's fault that you bought their game, but aren't satisfied? It's not, and it can't be. That's a part of life, trial and error. The only way to find out if you like something is to try it, and when you make that decision it is in no way shape or form someone else's fault.
Shifting blame onto others is trait of immature and irresponsible people. Accept that your OWN actions (i.e. playing a game you don't like) are causing your unhappiness, not the actions of others.
OR you could just keep wasting energy trying to get a private business to run the way YOU (one customer) think it should run.
Honestly, we are all very lucky to have such a tolerant and open development staff and moderators. You guys all whine like children, and have no appreciation for all the good things.
Research games more before you buy them, and if you buy a game you don't like BE MAD AT YOURSELF, since you made the decision to bring the game into your own life.
Go ahead and disagree, it wont change the fact that you'll have to pay for Blitz
and if the fact is changed, then i win anyway, because i get it free too.
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I'm usually not one to complain about this kind of thing... but I thought fundamental changes to core features of the game were meant to be free under Paradox dlc policy.
And this is a massive improvement to the functionality of the battleplanner, one of the most advertised features of hoi4, and one of the most criticized. Personally, my main problem with the battleplanner was the inability to assign exact maneuver orders, and seeing that out behind a paywall is enough to make me not buy a dlc that I almost certainly would have bought otherwise.
And this is a massive improvement to the functionality of the battleplanner, one of the most advertised features of hoi4, and one of the most criticized. Personally, my main problem with the battleplanner was the inability to assign exact maneuver orders, and seeing that out behind a paywall is enough to make me not buy a dlc that I almost certainly would have bought otherwise.
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Agree with mudcrabmerchant 100%
And, I know there has been a lot of negative posting here, but for someone associated with Paradox to make statements (whether true or not) tells me more than I need to know and where to spend my entertainment dollars.
Good luck to everyone involved.
And, I know there has been a lot of negative posting here, but for someone associated with Paradox to make statements (whether true or not) tells me more than I need to know and where to spend my entertainment dollars.
Good luck to everyone involved.
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FORCE feed, huh? Tell me, what does this man look like? You know, the one who comes to your house and FORCES you? I want to be able to keep my eye out so i can avoid being forced to purchase video games and DLC against my will
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We shouldn't have to say this over and over, but they can work on several things at once, you know. There will still be patches even though there are also DLCs. They have turned "broken" games around before.
Given we only know of two features so far (for some strange reason), I would also hesitate before calling a DLC a cash grab.
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Totally THIS!
How can such a flaw slip through alpha beta and two patches?
This is one of the things i am talking about in several threads while people discussing about GB- or US-english is better...i have no words...
And the worst thing is, the f%&%ing flag in the launcher has been edited
Look at these patch-notes:
Every minute wasted on such things is ridiculous while CORE MECHANICS ARE BROKEN!
It is like you brought your car to the mechanic and he says like:
"Sorry the brakes still don't work, but i have programmed two additional radio stations to your stereo!"
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Totally THIS!
How can such a flaw slip through alpha beta and two patches?
This is one of the things i am talking about in several threads while people discussing about GB- or US-english is better...i have no words...
And the worst thing is, the f%&%ing flag in the launcher has been edited
Look at these patch-notes:
Every minute wasted on such things is ridiculous while CORE MECHANICS ARE BROKEN!
It is like you brought your car to the mechanic and he says like:
"Sorry the brakes still don't work, but i have programmed two additional radio stations to your stereo!"
The best way to dictate how Paradox operates their private business would be to buy it yourself.
YOU think those things in the patch notes are a waste of time. Cool. They don't. And guess what? They run the place. Bummer.
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Did you maybe consider that the people who make portrait art might not be the same people who are fixing core mechanics? ( So how many portraits they make or don't make have nothing to do with how fast other things can be fixed ).
Or would you prefer if Paradox's 2D artists were tasked with fixing core mechanics? I know I would not!
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http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-its-core-problem.973988/page-4#post-21960829
I posted here a suggestion, how with an other dlc-policy these resources could be used more efficient
Of course it is their business and they can do as they like, but then they must not be shocked about the reactions of the "blitz-news"
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http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-its-core-problem.973988/page-4#post-21960829
I posted here a suggestion, how with an other dlc-policy these resources could be used more efficient
Of course it is their business and they can do as they like, but then they must not be shocked about the reaction of the "blitz-news"
Shocked at the amount of activity, perhaps. But i really don't think they will change much with how they do things... After all, us talking here are a very, very tiny fraction of the total amount of people who play the game.
I'm all for free Blitz, but people seem to forget that Paradox = money machine for its employees. Even if all the forum feedback is negative, there are still thousands and thousands of "faceless" customers ready to pay whatever and whenever.
Put yourself in their position; do what you want, what you already have planned and make tons and tons of money, OR do what outside people tell you and invest a lot more new time into project only to make less money than you would have with the first idea?
Even if option 2 will enable them to make lots and lots of money, it won't make as much as option 1, therefore it is considered an unthinkable idea.
Businesses are greedy, that's just a sad fact of life. Another sad fact is that consumers, myself included, enable this greed.
Greed really seems to be the underlying issue most people have with this current situation.. unfortunately if greed is your problem, this forum is not the place to fight it. Be a politician if you want to curb greed.
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I think you underestimate how the guys from PDX watching this forum and the silent non forum active customers.
Of course the people using this forum is a fraction of the possible clients and those who post here a more fraction.
But time has changed.
It is close to no one walking through a game-store and picking box.
Nearly every customer checks game ratings like steam comments or watch a youtube lets play (thats why we have a WorldWarWednesday).
And seeing or reeding things like...
...won't motivate them to buy this game.
Most of the users here are not little childs, they know how business works.
I have read dozens of threads people made serious suggestions, which would improve the game and the profit.
It has to be a win-win situation.
If PDX earn enough money with Hoi4, they can continue to improve it and i have faith they will.
But some tensions make me worried...
Let's stay on the air part and ai:
Even ancient games like "Panzer General" will teach you very soon, that you will gain nothing in WW2 without air superiority.
Now in HoI4 you can conquer whole Europe as GER without producing a single airplane while ai-GB still tries to naval invade a guarded province with heavy tanks...
HOW CAN THAT BE CALLED GRAND STRATEGY?
Of course the people using this forum is a fraction of the possible clients and those who post here a more fraction.
But time has changed.
It is close to no one walking through a game-store and picking box.
Nearly every customer checks game ratings like steam comments or watch a youtube lets play (thats why we have a WorldWarWednesday).
And seeing or reeding things like...
What can I tell you, the AI in this game is retarded.
Let me tell you about my recent game:
- Germany attacks Guaranteed Poland, doesn't bother to defend French front.
- Britain lands in Northern Germany because Germany doesn't garrison its ports.
- Germany doesn't bother to reinforce Northern Front until long after Berlin has fallen.
- Meanwhile France completely ignores Italian Front and gets rolled by ITA.
- Soviets attack and roll Poland because Poland has sent all its troops to Belgium.
- Britain lands in Sicily and rolls Italy like a cheap fag because ITA has left no troops in Italy and refuses to reinforce.
- Britain lands (completely unopposed) in Leningrad and proceeds to storm through Russia, because once again AI has not garrisoned the port and refuses to send troops to this front.
- Japan, having annexed China, Coerced Siam, and taken French Indochina, attacks Britain,
and gets rolled by token Indian force because they have sent all their troops to invade PNG and the pacific islands.
- Meanwhile, AUSTRALIA is staging amphibious invasions all over Europe
...won't motivate them to buy this game.
Most of the users here are not little childs, they know how business works.
I have read dozens of threads people made serious suggestions, which would improve the game and the profit.
It has to be a win-win situation.
If PDX earn enough money with Hoi4, they can continue to improve it and i have faith they will.
But some tensions make me worried...
Let's stay on the air part and ai:
Even ancient games like "Panzer General" will teach you very soon, that you will gain nothing in WW2 without air superiority.
Now in HoI4 you can conquer whole Europe as GER without producing a single airplane while ai-GB still tries to naval invade a guarded province with heavy tanks...
HOW CAN THAT BE CALLED GRAND STRATEGY?
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