For gaming/gameplay purpose they'll probably be merged in 1936.
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For gaming/gameplay purpose they'll probably be merged in 1936.
Yesterday, the Tribunal Supremo of Spain finally managed to unanimously vote to kick Franco out of the Valle de los caidos and make some justice.
Now, I can't wait to kick the fascist pig ingame and make some virtual democratic justice
Now, I can't wait to kick the fascist pig ingame and make some virtual democratic justice
Franco was, well, a Francoist. The only thing he cared about was himself, and his grip of power, and ideology was a secondary thing that could be shifted when convenient. The appearance of fascism was quite useful (particularly the personality cult that comes with it) when Axis powers were on the rise, but he dropped it quite quickly as soon as the war was over.
He was also the last of the long line of authoritarian, reactionary, ultra-catholic generals with a tendency to take power through military coups that had plagued Spanish politics since the early 1800s, so naturally, while his politics were reactionary, he had no qualms supporting fascists when Germany and Italy seemed strong, carlists when they provided him with support in the war, he quickly started playing the anti-communist card and putting Opus Dei technocrats to start aligning with the US in the Cold War...
Anyone whose support was convenient for him to keep his grasp on power (and of course somewhat aligned with his far right politics, but that convers plenty of different ideologies).
I do hope that he's not automatically the leader of the nationalist side in the focus tree, though. While he was seen a bit of a "star" (he was the youngest general in Europe), he wasn't one of the main organiser and leaders of the conspiracy, and only ended up in power after Sanjurjo and Mola died in plane accidents. In fact, he was always quite ambiguous and indecisive in the preparation phases of the coup, and only ended up joining in the last weeks before the sublevation, after getting quite a bit of money in advance.
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If it’s Spain, then there will have to be two trees just like there is with France and Vichy France. Most branches will be the same except for the political part.
How would Nationalist Spain turn out, if Franco wasn't it's leader?
Say, if some other leading generals came into power?
Quite hard to say really, since the Nationalists were made up of several distinctive groups which Franco managed to unite by force; most historians agree that, after Franco relieved the Alcazar of Toledo, he had such high prestige that his authority could only be challenged by Mola, who originally planned the coup that started the Civil War. Mola famously died in an air crash in 1937, but it's doubtful that, even if he survived, he would've been a rival to Franco (or at least while the war was still going) since he himself supported Franco's appointment as Generalissimo.
As for Mola's politics, he apparently wanted to install a Military Junta and, after a while, maybe restore some kind of conservative democracy but without the Communists (and leftists whom he regarded as such, of course). He was still one of the more liberal-minded of the generals (together with Queipo de Llano, who was as anti-monarchist as he was anti-communist, and maybe Cabanellas), and as such was a proponent for a separation of Church and State, but during the war he came to rely quite a lot on the Carlist Requetés, which meant more influence for that very monarchist and traditionalist movement. It is unclear whether he would be able to fulfill his plans for his conservative-aligned "democratic" Spain after the war; maybe he could've united those parties like Franco did, maybe not...
There were also several monarchist generals who wanted the return of Alphonso (ergo, not Carlists), the most important of whom were Alfredo Kindelan, chief of the air force, and general Aranda, but their influence and power were limited.
The leader meant to take control of the rebellion was general Sanjurjo, who had tried a coup in 1932 and was in exile in Lisbon. He died in a plane accident in 1936 two days after the sublevation, when he was fying to join the rebels. Then, Rodriguez del Barrio was meant to act as the coordinator, though the rebellion after Sanjurjo's death was mainly led by Emilo Mola, and secondarily by generals Cabanellas and Queipo de Llano. I'd guess Mola would have been left as the leader (he was known as "the Director" of the conspiracy, and was effectively leading it at the beginning of the war), but he died in another plane crash in 1937.
The organisation of the state was left quite open in the conspiracy, the main idea was to have Sanjurjo lead a military dictatorship in the style of Miguel Primo de Rivera, presumably restoring Alfonso XIII as a (powerless) head of state. Still, you essentially had three competing factions: your standard right-wing military dictatorship (with maybe some form of limited democracy), restoring Alfonso XIII and the previous regime; the carlists who wanted a monarchist, traditionalist state only with their own pretender, and the fascists led by J.A. Primo de Rivera who wanted a national syndicalist state (the Spanish version of fascism/nazism) in the style of Mussolini, probably still with Alfonso XIII as a figurehead king, Vittorio Emanuele-style.
The fascists had almost no support in 1936, though, aside from Primo de Rivera's prestige from being the son of the previous dictator, but if they somehow were to become relevant actors during the civil war as the catalysts of German and Italian support they might have become more relevant, in the way that communists became relevant in the republican side as the war went on due to Soviet support.
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The main issue with that is that there was already German / Italian support from basically day 0 (German and Italian navies helped move the front of the North African Army to the mainland), and the connections Franco had with them also helped him become predominant into the generals Court. There is also the issue that most (if not all) the generals were clearly anti French / British, and would have easily sided with Germany and Italy in the incoming war.
Well yes, but I assume if Primo de Rivera had not died less than 6 months after the rebellion he might have managed, had he played his cards well, to increase his importance quite a bit within the rebel side by acting as the intermediary with the Axis powers. He was alreade quite the famous, charismatic figure.
Though you're right: had anyone else taken control of the rebel side, Spain would have likely joined the Axis.
Heck, the only reason why Franco did not join the Axis (defacto, as they allowed them to use their naval bases for the submarines) was due to the destruction that the Civil War caused to the spanish economy (and well, general life). Franco asked for way too much because it would be necessary not to have half of the population to die (or create even higher lvls of discent which would be detrimental for him continuing being the dictator.
I like to think of it as an exercise in exquisite stereotypical galicianness, refusing to answer any question and giving only vague questions in return.
Which incidentally is also what he did to the other rebellious generals until a few weeks before the sublevation; refuse to commit to anything and give only vague answers. Sanjurjo used to refer to Franco as "the little cuckoo".
Finally! Finally! Been waiting for three bloody years. I hope the Republic also doesn't just immediately becomes Communist and gets José Díaz. I never even heard of him before I played HoI4 for the first time, and I wasn't exactly a newcomer to the Civil War. He just never ruled the country, even if the PCE ended up wielding great influence over it. There's so much stuff that can be done. The efforts of conversion to war industry, the popular militias and the reorganisation into the Ejército Popular, the International Brigades...
It better be good, or it'll be the last DLC I buy.
It better be good, or it'll be the last DLC I buy.
Yesterday, the Tribunal Supremo of Spain finally managed to unanimously vote to kick Franco out of the Valle de los caidos and make some justice.
Now, I can't wait to kick the fascist pig ingame and make some virtual democratic justice
Finally some kind of justice in our fucking country
. Can't wait to see the focus tree of republican Spain. As it has been said before, I also hope that SPR start the war as democratic and tends to communism thanks to the Stalin's agents. I also hope that they took information of the mod "No Pasaran" the most complete mod of the SCW by far
I'm wondering if the CNT will get some love, would make for a fun playthrough, spreading anarchy throughout the world
Reworked Spain is very nice and welcome but I really hope that it will be the Soviet Union next.
One more major should be updated for this cycle, and it's gonna be Italy or USSR. It's actually hard to predict which one, since Italy closely mingled with the Nationalists, and Partisan activities really did a number on the Nazis in the Great Patriotic War
The Devs stated before, that the Soviets will not be reworked with this DLC. Because the want to build the USSR rework ontop of the mechanics implemented in this DLC.
They already said, that USSR deserves its own expansion.