HoI4 Dev Diary - Soviet Union Exiles

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“Comrade Bratyn, you have been found guilty of counter-WW2 activity. You have been seen consorting with citizens and even figurehead ideologues of the Imperator team. Undeniable proof of work by your hand can be seen in publications by this group of dissidents made over the course of the past year. You do not fool us. We know “Drikus” is just another alias you use.
“Your attempts at shirking your duties to the Team will not be tolerated. Discussion of the Classical Period is wholly unacceptable behaviour for a HoI4 citizen; publication of treasonous material is a crime far, far worse. You are hereby stripped of your rank and sentenced to the mines in HoI-beria. Perhaps a year’s hard labor working on good, proper WW2 material will enable you to see the errors of your ways, and rehabilitate you sufficiently to regain your previous liberties.
“Comrade Bratyn, I will not welcome you back. You were foolish to think you could ever leave, in the first place.”


Hello everyone, and welcome to the third (yes you read that right) dev diary on the Soviet Union focus tree! And yes, in the words of a famous hero who fought valiantly and sacrificed himself for the defense of Earth some 25 years ago: “Hello boys! I’m baaaaaaaaaack!” Not to worry, though! Unlike Russel, I’m not here to destroy the project by dealing catastrophic damage to the superweapon that is this very next DLC that we’re unleashing upon a collection of RVs near a remote and officially non-existing military base in Nevada the world. That requires backbone, and we’re not allowed to have one of those here in HoI-beria.

It has already been explained in previous DDs that the sheer size of the Soviet tree has meant multiple CDs have been slaving away working proudly on it. This has been doubly the case for the non-Communist branches (which the eagle-eyed among you already noticed in last week's diary must lurk off to the side of the picture you were shown): the collection of CDs that have contributed to these branches have almost been as numerous and varied as the groups comprising the White Movement that inspired them... *Laughs nervously, glancing at his room’s locked door* While I initially was given some background features to toil away on, I eventually was drafted into this group of laborers-- *Glances at the silhouettes of guards visible through the window in the door, sweating this time and continuing in an excessively loud voice* ...Erhhh, I-I mean, I volunteered for this honorable task to contribute in some small way to the ever-increasing glory of the HoI4 Team, which has so graciously and mercifully deigned to allow me to prove my unceasing loyalty through my labor! *Sweats profusely* ...I, uh, am also proud to have volunteered as… as spokesman for this assembled group of CDs, and tell you all about what we’ve been doing!

*Clears throat raspily* Very well, let’s get started.


The Exiles

In 1936 the so-called White Movement was in shambles. Despite extensive international support, the Bolsheviks had eventually defeated the loose and diverse anti-Communist coalition (who really only agreed on one point: that the communists must be defeated) that vied for control of the country in the Russian Civil War. With many of their leaders dead, much of the remnants of the Whites fled the country rather than be purged. Many of these fled to Manchuria, which in the early 1930s was invaded and occupied by the Japanese.

In the years afterwards these exiles in Manchuria were supported by the Japanese to cause problems for the Soviets across the border (including such intrepid endeavours as erecting a giant neon swastika 3km from the Soviet-Manchurian border). While certainly not the only collection of White exiles in the world, they were the only ones to be in any conceivable position to do any material damage whatsoever to the Soviet state. If an anti-Soviet uprising was to take place, it would therefore likely be in the old White-controlled areas of the Far East and Siberia: far from the tightly-controlled industrial areas of the far west of the Soviet Union, and where Japanese equipment and support would be most forthcoming.

Are you up for the challenge of ousting the Bolsheviks after all, guiding the nation through an Electric Boogaloo of Russian civil wars, reinstating the Romanovs, and, finally, returning its former Glory to the Russian Empire?

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The Build-Up

If so, the only way to affect such a drastic change by the mid-1930s is through civil war.

In many ways the build-up to the Civil War for the Nationalists and the Tsarists plays similar to the Communist Opposition build-ups, albeit with a somewhat different touch. The red army is highly politicized so you will find it harder to actually gain a large following there, and you won’t get any support from the NKVD either. But let’s look at the “pre-civil-war” part of the tree:

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This part of the branch all revolves around various ways in which to prepare for the civil war: obtaining equipment, units, factories, national spirits, decisions, and even advisors for when the civil war kicks off. At the same time, decisions allow you to spread your influence (starting in the Far East) throughout the Soviet Union, readying states for an uprising to coincide with crossing the border from Manchuria. Despite this preparatory work, however, the Soviets have solidified their power tremendously over the past 20 years, and this war will be a challenge.

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Religion

One way of preparing for the continuation of the counterrevolution, and undermining communist support, is to gain the support of the church. Some of the Orthodox Church’s bishops (‘metropolitans’) had fled abroad rather than cooperate with such a militant atheist government as Stalin’s. Others elected to stay, and in 1927 Patriarch Sergy issued a divisive Proclamation on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church that professed absolute loyalty to the Communist government of the country. Many metropolitans broke communion with him as a result. Despite the proclamation, 1931 still saw the destruction of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow, to make room for a colossal Palace of the Soviets. These are the kinds of decisions that need to be overturned to return faith and religion to the central position that it deserves in Russian society, providing suitable rewards accordingly.

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Eventually, you may begin the war:

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As stated, it will not be easy, and the Soviets enjoy a tremendous military and industrial advantage over you. You will have to make intelligent use of your resources and subversive activities to level the playing field even slightly and make an unlikely victory happen. Luckily, the possibility of foreign aid exists, though even this may not be enough. The final ‘ace in the hole’ is swallowing your pride and making the Japanese an offer they cannot resist: the elimination of a rival power to their northwest, major territorial gains on the Pacific coast, and even the installation of a subject regime in the power vacuum their rival’s collapse would create… All this might buy their direct involvement, but the price is very high...

Consolidation

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Once the civil war has been won, it is now time to consolidate your power, rebuild the war-torn nation, and replace the White provisional government with the more stable will of a Romanov. This calls for the convening of a Zemsky Sobor, who will elect Tsar Vladimir I to this position.

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These focuses (and some of the later religious branch’s focuses) also will also spark the return of many anti-Communist exiles to their homeland. From here, you may continue to embrace either of the two predominant ideological flows that comprise the White Movement:

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The first of these is the Tsarist branch - solidifying the Tsar’s autocratic control over the country and restoring the Romanov dynasty. This branch seeks to restore the Russian Empire’s old borders; reconquering the many states that were lost after the Great War, and pushing beyond.

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The second of these is the Fascist branch - turning over power to Rodzaevsky and reducing the Tsarist to a figurehead monarch, like in many nations in the West. Under this leadership, the embarrassments of old will be redressed and avenged; in particular the Empire’s defeat at the hands of Japan over 30 years prior. This path also focuses on naval build-up in the far east, and even explores bold forays into the Americas…

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Finally, a doublet of formable nations exist for these branches. As the Tsarists, it is possible to extol the unity of the Slavic Peoples, and truly take up the role of their Protector. Be strong enough, be liked enough, and Slavic nations under threat will join you willingly. If not, you may take them by force. Regardless of how you unify them: you may form a grand Union of the Slavs if you succeed in this task.

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Alternatively (and open to both branches), you might emphasize the role of the Church in the new nation you have created. Choosing this spiritual path will elevate the Metropolitan of Harbin to leader of the nation, and opens up the ability to claim Russia’s rightful place as the only true heirs of an empire long gone…

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Finally, I’ll briefly hand over the word to Comrade @Wrongwraith.

New Releasables

As hinted in last week's DD we’ve also added a few more releasable countries that can become independent in a peace deal or through focuses. So basically all SSR’s, ASSR’s and some of the Okrugs of the USSR are covered, as well as some other countries that existed before the establishment of the Soviet Union in 1922.

To give you an idea, the map can now look like this:

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Some of the releasable countries overlap. For example, the Far Eastern Republic has cores on both Chukotka and Vladivostok as well. The map above shows as many simultaneous countries as possible in the Soviet Union area.

And of course this means loads of new flags. Some of you guessed right last week! The flags shown were for an independent communist Karelia and a non-aligned Buryat Republic.

And there are loads more, like this one for example:

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In addition, we added a few new formables for those countries, just in case you feel like reforming Idel Ural for example.



Now, with that out of the way: that was all from us for today! It should go without saying that the tree is still being actively worked on, and so what you saw here may not represent 100% what is eventually released. I do hope you liked this little peek into what’s going on with the not-so-Communist Soviet things! *Attempts to feign a joyful laugh, but then glances nervously at the door again, leans forward, and adds in an urgent whisper:* I mean it… If I don’t meet my quota of likes and get a ratio of above 90% for this diary I’ll be scrubbing keyboards for a month!

Oh - almost forgot - the Soviet Focus Tree behemoth as of currently:


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It could be fixed, even without making it big:
1. A small democratic path to join the allies or create separate faction and get liberation CB on existing communist and fascist countries. Nothing big here, no new scripted mechanics, just a small and simple focuses like the ones democratic Japan have.
2. Monarchist tree. Someone was saying about Anastasia being to memey? The "Third Rome" path is a one huge meme and shouldn't exist. Instead, a choice between a "moderate" path of restoring old borders, getting revenge on germans for WWI while making agreements with Britain and "expansionist" path shared with the fascists including reconquering Alaska, Fort Ross and creating Pan-Slavic empire, whould be much better and realistic.

But i doubt anything will change before release, probably i'll have to rely on mods again.
 
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There should be more options about foreign policies, and there should be mutually exclusive decisions like in the communist common foreign policy branch. I understand that the historical part should be given priority, bit this is still paid content, if it is not fun to play it should not be in the DLC, it lowers the standard of quality.
 
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The Spanish Civil War will unfortunately be the only multi-sides civil war we ever do. It alone deserves the attention and extreme development effort that it takes to create something like that, because it happens every game.
But there already are other Soviet civil wars in the game, this would very different from Spanish civil war where multiple factions had to be made from scratch.
Majority of content from (for example) Beria vs Trotsky civil war could be reused, then Whites uprising would be added to that. Not even all of content, since in this scenario Soviet factions would be AI-only (and to be defeated eventually), so they wouldn't need to be very detailed.
Compared to what currently is planned there would be: no need for additional art, no extra localisation, very little in terms of scripting.
 
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I don't know what you are reading but actually the vast majority of those who complained here did in a respectfull manner i had not thought possible on the PDX forums.

Most of them said that while disappointed they still like the communist paths or simply feel underwhelmed because of the standard Paradox themselves set. I guess you just want to add fuel to a fire which doesn't even exist.
This, I remember the Poland DD and it`s reaction its nothing like this one. Most here are just saying (in a very respectful manner considering we are on the internet) that they are a bit disappointed with the non-Communist path.

As for the DD itself, of course I would have liked a democratic path with more diplomatic options with the western powers and a more flavored monarchist/fascist path. But given the depth of the communist branches I agree that that there is what the focus should have been on and I`m thankful for it.

What I think may be nice to see is more interactions with the other powers, like the monarchist cooperating or even joining the Allies and the fascist joining a faction with either Germany, Italy or Japan.

Also as someone said up here maybe you could integrate the war goal focuses so they can be shared between monarchist and fascist.

Overall I really like the Soviet rework. Looking forward to it!
 
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so if I'm looking at this correctly, Rodzaevsky's constitutional monarchist anti-Japanese (which... I'm sorry but come on at least pick a different Russian Fascist if you're gonna go that way with it) path is inevitably resulting in the Third Rome theocracy path? I'm really sorry, as I've said before I don't wanna be ungrateful or mean, but like this just seems really bizarre and not researched like at all. IMO there should be a second fascist path which is republican that can *also* form Pan-Slavia but under a fascist dictatorship instead of weird constitutional monarchy theocracy thing. Or am I missing something?
 
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Sorry, but it looks extremely bad with some "fun" stuff, like attack on America and Panslavic ambition (without logic in branch locations at all, since it were fascist who were more nationalistic, not monarchist). Not a single important white emigre character? No Russian All-Military Union or National Alliance of Russian Solidarists? I'm not talking about obvious democratic path, even this right-wing path (highly needed) is done without respect to history.

Mestnichestvo in 20 century looks like total joke, since it was abolished in 1682! Revenge for Yoke? Seriously? Theocratic ARCH-PatriARCH!? It's worse when polish tree because russians are shown as fairytale characters who only can enact paranoidal repressions, wreck everything, sell out motherland or playing 17 century. Releasables are awful too, since there are literally no people living in far-north to form 5 countries or so.
It doesn't look serious at all. Do better job Pdx!
 
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The second of these is the Fascist branch - turning over power to Rodzaevsky and reducing the Tsarist to a figurehead monarch, like in many nations in the West. Under this leadership, the embarrassments of old will be redressed and avenged; in particular the Empire’s defeat at the hands of Japan over 30 years prior. This path also focuses on naval build-up in the far east, and even explores bold forays into the Americas…

in history, Rodzaevsky carried out the white movement with the help of Japan. Why is his fascist Russia hostile instead of cooperating with Japan? It doesn't seem to fit his historical behavior.
 
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And i am still rooting for Joseph Steel being a candidate for the American Communist Party if he is removed from power in the SU or Adyolf Aloysovich Hitlerov suddenly appearing in a fascist Russia.
 
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in history, Rodzaevsky carried out the white movement with the help of Japan. Why is his fascist Russia hostile instead of cooperating with Japan? It doesn't seem to fit his historical behavior.
History is rife with examples of leaders and countries being betrayed by erstwhile allies. The most poignant contemporary example is Hitler conquering France while in an alliance with the Soviet Union, and we all know how that turned out... I see no reason Rodzaevsky or anyone else would continue to bow to inevitable Japanese demands once they'd consolidated power in Russia.
 
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